NZ Test Match Summer News and Thoughts

[Flem274*]

Urgh, so you're effectively basing all of this on just one game. Trent Boult has four test wickets, so? It means nothing and how you could say he's jumped ahead of Southee beacause of them I have no idea.

Before this series started I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Tim Southee was fairly undercooked, obviously it wasn't though.

I said "as of right now" not "over a length of time" in which case, Southee still has underperformace looming over his head. As of right now, the other three seamers are bowling better than Southee. I'm not calling him rubbish, I'm calling him unproductive in the short term. Also, despite Boult only playing one game, he has only one less wicket than Southee in the series.

Southee has been in and out, in and out for some time now, and it probably hasn't done him much good. In saying that, for all the good spells he has bowled since recall, he hasn't gotten himself a big haul. I thought during the recent series he was doing a Hilfenhaus. In 2008 Southee cashed in on a less conducive surface than either pitch in the recent series, and that worries me. Nowadays he doesn't appear to be swing the ball as much as he used to nor using his off cutter as much as he used to.

I appreciate he's had some time off, but his 7fer against Wellington, even if they're the most awfulest team in the history of awfulness (which they're not), indicates to me he was doing something right. It wasn't like Kyle Mills who has been getting a bit of tap on occassion this season. He didn't come into the series completely raw.

I think he is a good bowler, I think all four are bowling well atm, and any of them getting dropped is very harsh, but if we dropped on current performance then statistically and subjectively (watching the four bowl) Southee is fourth and would end up outside the playing eleven for a spell.

If he is underdone, then getting some Plunket Shield overs under his belt won't do him any harm.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Morrison at nine!

Richard de Groen was pretty awful with the bat.

 

[Mike5181]

When Flynn is fit and Wagner has qualified we should hopefully have 14 players to pick from.

What starting XI would you have once everyone is fit/eligible?

 

[Flem274*]

If Flynn opens for ND in the back end of the Shield and gets runs, I reckon he will replace Guptill if Guppy continues to fail.

Can definitely see Flynn getting a recall sooner rather than later.

 

[HolyHandGrenade]

If Flynn opens for ND in the back end of the Shield and gets runs, I reckon he will replace Guptill if Guppy continues to fail.

Can definitely see Flynn getting a recall sooner rather than later.

Yeah I agree with Flynn being the next cab off the rank if Guptill fails against Zimbabwe. From what I have seen of him in tests he reminds me a lot of a young Justin Langer, both of them seem to play within themselves early on in their careers, then started to become more aggressive, and uncontrolled and getting in a form slump and eventually dropped. I think just like Langer, he'll have a lot more confidence in his ability the second time around, and prosper from the lesson learnt from earlier in his career.

 

[Hurricane]

Yeah I agree with Flynn being the next cab off the rank if Guptill fails against Zimbabwe. From what I have seen of him in tests he reminds me a lot of a young Justin Langer, both of them seem to play within themselves early on in their careers, then started to become more aggressive, and uncontrolled and getting in a form slump and eventually dropped. I think just like Langer, he'll have a lot more confidence in his ability the second time around, and prosper from the lesson learnt from earlier in his career.

Welcome.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

What starting X1 would you have once everyone is fit/eligible?

XI

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[Hurricane]

 

[Mike5181]

XI

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Far too much alcohol in my system lately.

I like the idea of giving Daniel Flynn another chance provided Guptill continues to fail.

Who we select in our ODI team is unclear at the moment. I hope they don't rush someone like Brownlie into the team just because of his test performances.

 

[straw man]

Flynn would be my first reserve batsman as well, though if he's going to be an opener then he should be opening for ND first.

 

[Flametree]

I see Zimbabwe are playing in a 3-day warm up match vs a "NZ xi" in Gisborne. It's probably too late for it to be used as a trial for the test which starts three days after this match finishes. Can folk name the eleven they'd like to see in the NZ xi side?

Flynn
Guptill
Williamson
Ryder
Watling
de Boorder *
Astle
Southee
Patel
Milne
Mackay

 

[Mike5181]

I see Zimbabwe are playing in a 3-day warm up match vs a "NZ xi" in Gisborne. It's probably too late for it to be used as a trial for the test which starts three days after this match finishes. Can folk name the eleven they'd like to see in the NZ xi side?

Flynn
Guptill
Williamson
Ryder
Watling
de Boorder *
Astle
Southee
Patel
Milne
Mackay

1.Flynn
2.Guptill
3.Williamson
4.Ryder
5.Van Wyk+
6.De Boorder+
7.Vettori
8.Bracewell
9.Southee
10.Boult
11.Milne

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

So will one of KvW or DdB be wearing the gloves at 1st slip?

 

[Howsie]

Yeah I agree with Flynn being the next cab off the rank if Guptill fails against Zimbabwe. From what I have seen of him in tests he reminds me a lot of a young Justin Langer, both of them seem to play within themselves early on in their careers, then started to become more aggressive, and uncontrolled and getting in a form slump and eventually dropped. I think just like Langer, he'll have a lot more confidence in his ability the second time around, and prosper from the lesson learnt from earlier in his career.

Daniel Flynn was just handled extremely poorly first time round tbh. He was basically picked on potential, came into a really poor batting lineup and then shunted up the order six months after his test debut and told to blunt out the new ball - basically trying to be someone he's not. Was it any wonder that by the time he was finally dropped he looked as though he'd forgotten how to hold a bat?

He's a quality player and just a notch above the rest of the players currently playing domestic cricket in this country, I have no doubt he'll be a lot more successful in his next run in international cricket.

 

[straw man]

Daniel Flynn was just handled extremely poorly first time round tbh. He was basically picked on potential, came into a really poor batting lineup and then shunted up the order six months after his test debut and told to blunt out the new ball - basically trying to be someone he's not. Was it any wonder that by the time he was finally dropped he looked as though he'd forgotten how to hold a bat?

He's a quality player and just a notch above the rest of the players currently playing domestic cricket in this country, I have no doubt he'll be a lot more successful in his next run in international cricket.

Awta. Flynn didn't deserve to be picked when he was. Then he averaged something like 40 for a period batting at 6 despite not passing 50, with plenty of not-outs for various reasons and I seem to remember a few catches dropped off him too. Showed some guts and the ability to leave the ball yes, bus it was a joke that he was pushed up to 3.

I think/hope he's a lot better a batsman now.

 

[straw man]

I see Zimbabwe are playing in a 3-day warm up match vs a "NZ xi" in Gisborne. It's probably too late for it to be used as a trial for the test which starts three days after this match finishes. Can folk name the eleven they'd like to see in the NZ xi side?

Flynn
Guptill
Williamson
Ryder
Watling
de Boorder *
Astle
Southee
Patel
Milne
Mackay

Think that's a pretty good selection. Bracket Nethula with Astle for the 'promising spinner' spot, or just pick both and drop Patel. Maybe don't bother with Williamson and give Nicol a game instead.

Tell Ryder if he scores at a strike rate of >60 or hits any sixes then he will be dropped

 

[Athlai]

I don't think Jeets should be selected at all.

 

[straw man]

I don't think Jeets should be selected at all.

Et tu, Athlai?

 

[Athlai]

Et tu, Athlai?

I just want him in the commentary box ASAP

 

[Hurricane]

I don't think Jeets should be selected at all.

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