No Lord's Test for the Windies in 2012

[GIMH]

Anyway, I hope England don't use the lack of UDRS as an excuse when we inevitably win this summer.

I can only presume you're referring to the ODIs

 

[Furball]

Personally speaking, my outlook towards UDRS is pretty much "can't be arsed", always has been. I can take it or leave it. Maybe I've got too used to watching cricket without it.

I appreciate that there are other viewpoints on it though, and if you want to push strongly for it, then go ahead and make your voice heard. But I can't really get on board with the argument that not having it damages Test cricket.

It's one of those innovations that once you get used to it you wonder how on earth you lived without it.

There was some absolutely shocking umpiring at times during the last Ashes - something easily forgotten because there was a mechanism in place where obviously incorrect decisions were overturned.

 

[zaremba]

There you go

No. I was referring to your imaginings whereby the ECB "childishly" refuse to allow India to play at Lord's because England played at relatively obscure stadia on the last tour to India.

 

[vcs]

England played at Chennai and Mohali in the last series FTR, perfectly acceptable Test venues. Didn't know there were any objections. Though it was a terrible decision to hold a Test at Mohali given the time of the year.

I've got to say I'm immensely grateful to the English team, ECB and KP for coming back to play that series after the Mumbai attacks that year. Deserve all the credit in the world.

 

[zaremba]

England played at Chennai and Mohali in the last series FTR, perfectly acceptable Test venues. Didn't know there were any objections. Though it was a terrible decision to hold a Test at Mohali given the time of the year.

I've got to say I'm immensely grateful to the English team, ECB and KP for coming back to play that series after the Mumbai attacks that year. Deserve all the credit in the world.

Yeah the venues thing got a bit of coverage, not sure why given that Tests need to be spread around, and it's also going to have to happen more in England (and Wales) now than before.

Anyhow I wasn't expressing an opinion, simply responding to this rather strange offering:

iirc there was some uproar from english quarters when they weren't given stadia of their choice to play when they last toured here.

well, frankly it's the prerogative of home board to decide, and while almost all indian players would love to have a go at lords, I frankly don't think they'll be gutted if ecb doesn't schedule lords test for india.

and frankly that'll only make ecb look so childish in their response to this issue. ''look u bad big bcci, no lords test for ya, boooooo'

 

[Howe_zat]

Yeah, no complaints on that tour.

Don't really get the support for Mohali as a Test ground though, it just doesn't seem to get the attendance. The older, city-based grounds like Bangalore and Kolkata really ought to have more Tests these days.

 

[Bun]

Bun, what you say about there being no UDRS till recently is of course correct.

However, when things advance, we then hold higher standards. This is the case in all walks of life.

I'm learning to drive soon. Once I pass my test, I will be driving to work. Should I mistime my drive one day and arrive late, how do you think my boss would feel if my excuse was, "well don't forget that a few months ago I was getting the train and they were unreliable all the time!"

UDRS is there now. Talking about the time before it is not a relevant argument. Prior to technology, an umpire howler was one of those things. It was annoying enough when the technology was there and we weren't using it. But the fact that the technology is in use but the ****iest board in cricket refuse to sanction it ruins the game. Surely we all want the players deciding the outcome?

But surely I hope your boss wouldn't exclaim of you being a ****, or being a jackass, or being a blight on the face of earth or anything like that should you decide to resume travelling by public transport. Will he?

I completely understand your logic here. I do agree, and have said it before here, I am IN favor of having UDRS. And it's sad BCCI has opposed to its implementation, particularly having seen how refined it has become in the recent series.

My grouse is only against rather over the top comments and curses and outrages against this decision as if this has been the most heinous crime committed against cricket and the likes. There is a certain amount of protest it deserves no doubt, but as vcs said above, it's just an inconvenience in the end, a slight one imho.

The test series is going to be fine, and well contested. Cricket should take the centrestage, not silly controversies like these.

 

[vcs]

Yeah, no complaints on that tour.

Don't really get the support for Mohali as a Test ground though, it just doesn't seem to get the attendance. The older, city-based grounds like Bangalore and Kolkata really ought to have more Tests these days.

The attendance at Mohali was pretty shocking when India and Australia had that humdinger match in 2010. Would definitely cut it out of the Test match rotation.

 

[vcs]

but surely i hope your boss wouldn't exclaim of you being a ****, or being a jackass, or being a blight on the face of earth or anything like that should you decide to resume travelling by public transport. Will he?

I completely understand your logic here. I do agree, and have said it before here, i am in favor of having udrs. And it's sad bcci has opposed to its implementation, particularly having seen how refined it has become in the recent series.

My grouse is only against rather over the top comments and curses and outrages against this decision as if this has been the most heinous crime committed against cricket and the likes. There is a certain amount of protest it deserves no doubt, but as vcs said above, it's just an inconvenience in the end, a slight one imho.

The test series is going to be fine, and well contested. Cricket should take the centrestage, not silly controversies like these.

+1

 

[Furball]

But surely I hope your boss wouldn't exclaim of you being a ****, or being a jackass, or being a blight on the face of earth or anything like that should you decide to resume travelling by public transport. Will he?

I completely understand your logic here. I do agree, and have said it before here, I am IN favor of having UDRS. And it's sad BCCI has opposed to its implementation, particularly having seen how refined it has become in the recent series.

My grouse is only against rather over the top comments and curses and outrages against this decision as if this has been the most heinous crime committed against cricket and the likes. There is a certain amount of protest it deserves no doubt, but as vcs said above, it's just an inconvenience in the end, a slight one imho.

The test series is going to be fine, and well contested. Cricket should take the centrestage, not silly controversies like these.

I hope you remember your final sentence if Tendulkar is incorrectly given out and India collapse to a defeat as a result. It really would be terrible if something as controversial as that overshadowed a fine Test match.

 

[Howe_zat]

But surely I hope your boss wouldn't exclaim of you being a ****, or being a jackass, or being a blight on the face of earth or anything like that should you decide to resume travelling by public transport. Will he?

I completely understand your logic here. I do agree, and have said it before here, I am IN favor of having UDRS. And it's sad BCCI has opposed to its implementation, particularly having seen how refined it has become in the recent series.

My grouse is only against rather over the top comments and curses and outrages against this decision as if this has been the most heinous crime committed against cricket and the likes. There is a certain amount of protest it deserves no doubt, but as vcs said above, it's just an inconvenience in the end, a slight one imho.

The test series is going to be fine, and well contested. Cricket should take the centrestage, not silly controversies like these.

I knew you could make sense if you really wanted.

Should post like this more often, Bun. Don't necessarily agree but a good post.

 

[zaremba]

I hope you remember your final sentence if Tendulkar is incorrectly given out and India collapse to a defeat as a result. It really would be terrible if something as controversial as that overshadowed a fine Test match.

Well that's the thing isn't it? It won't take too long for it to happen, maybe not in this coming series but soon, and when it does the pressure on the BCCI from Indian fans will be such that they'll have to agree to the UDRS being used in future.

What would be bloody annoying is if something similar happens to England. It'd be like the 2010 football world cup all over again.

 

[Bun]

No. I was referring to your imaginings whereby the ECB "childishly" refuse to allow India to play at Lord's because England played at relatively obscure stadia on the last tour to India.

I didnt suggest ecb would, but since filbberty said anyways thought i'll give my views on possible response from the bcci side.

personally thought the original whine, although unconnected to this, abt the venue issue was laughable in the first place.

 

[Bun]

I knew you could make sense if you really wanted.

Should post like this more often, Bun. Don't necessarily agree but a good post.

haha thx back to heel gimmick now

 

[Bun]

I hope you remember your final sentence if Tendulkar is incorrectly given out and India collapse to a defeat as a result. It really would be terrible if something as controversial as that overshadowed a fine Test match.

Live by the sword and end by it. I really wish Ashocker De Silva would be umpiring this series so that **** ups like you mentioned would happen, and babuCCI would wake up finally to 2011, realize they are yelling at non existent clouds, and finally embrace the UDRS. I would though love that to happen in the final test when we are leading 3-0 and hopefully Sachin denied in his quest for his 103rd international hundred.

 

[marc71178]

England played at Chennai and Mohali in the last series FTR, perfectly acceptable Test venues. Didn't know there were any objections. Though it was a terrible decision to hold a Test at Mohali given the time of the year.

IIRC weren't there a few moans about the ODI schedule because it seemed to lack logical sense in terms of cross country journeys between matches?

 

[Bun]

IIRC weren't there a few moans about the ODI schedule because it seemed to lack logical sense in terms of cross country journeys between matches?

Would mean like abt a max 1 hour extra flight time perhaps.

and not to foget hom,e team also having to go thru same routine.

 

[Jacknife]

Couldn't care less where they hold the Tests. Since I'm not the one attending, all I care is that the matches are good contests (and India win ). India don't host all visiting teams at Eden Gardens and Chennai in every tour, in any case.

Funny you should mention Eden Gardens, on a show today talking about this situation about how many Tests are played at Lords and the ever increasing Test grounds in England, it was mentioned that England haven't played at Eden Gardens since '91 or '92. Which considering it's the most famous Indian ground and probably the one the players want to play at most, is quite remarkable.

 

[GIMH]

It was the 2006 tour that there were scheduling arguments over. The ECB weren't happy about the ordering of the venues in the ODIs.

 

[Bun]

Funny you should mention Eden Gardens, on a show today talking about this situation about how many Tests are played at Lords and the ever increasing Test grounds in England, it was mentioned that England haven't played at Eden Gardens since '91 or '92. Which considering it's the most famous Indian ground and probably the one the players want to play at most, is quite remarkable.