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Mark Butcher vs Johnny Bairstow
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Teja.
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sledger
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Also nobody has ever claimed Giles was more than mediocre
The reason why a lot of people love him is because he was always consistently mediocre at a time where all of the alternatives were genuinely awful
The fact that he was often a bit crap and couldn't field at all was part of his charm
The reason why a lot of people love him is because he was always consistently mediocre at a time where all of the alternatives were genuinely awful
The fact that he was often a bit crap and couldn't field at all was part of his charm
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Yeah, Ashraful was the name that immediately came to mind.
Poor old Ken Rutherford - his average is up over 30 if you disregard a couple of horrific West Indies series at the start of his career.
TheJediBrah
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Didn't realise Grant Flower was that bad
You're not thinking of Phil Tufnell?
Pup Clarke
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Butcher was a far better player. Seriously
The Sean
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Ha, old Syd Gregory a bit harshly done by there!
Line and Length
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I have vivid memories of Trevor Bailey in a match-saving partnership with Willie Watson in an Ashes Test. Bailey wasn't called "Barnacle Bailey" for nothing. He had one of the dourest defences imaginable. A useful bowler too. He averaged just under 30 with both bat and ball. Similar bowling average to Kapil Dev and only marginally below Dev's batting average ..... though one would never have him in the same league as Dev as an all-rounder but certainly much better than mediocre.
BoyBrumby
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Jonny is probably roughly the same age now as Butch was when he was pensioned off and we're still sort of picking the Frenchman on potential.
I guess the big difference is back then Strauss had just debuted and we also had Tres and Mick Vaughan in the top three.
Make you weep, really.
I guess the big difference is back then Strauss had just debuted and we also had Tres and Mick Vaughan in the top three.
Make you weep, really.
ataraxia
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Bit smaller sample size, but Thirimanne averaged 22.68 after 36 tests.
Fuller Pilch
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Kieran Powell has played 44 tests for an average of 25.76.
Guptill played 47 and is 29. something. Love Guppy's straight driving in white ball cricket though.
Guptill played 47 and is 29. something. Love Guppy's straight driving in white ball cricket though.
The Sean
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Also, what was the filter there - because Ramps played 52 Tests, not 50. And Syd Gregory played 58, not 52. I don't know the others off the top of my head, but is that just counting the number of Tests they actually batted in?
Teja.
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1-6 position - wanted to only get in specialist batsman so that led to some slight inaccuracies like that.
Starfighter
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Considering that analysis somehow excludes six of his tests, not really. Include them and his average drops 24.53
Thirimanne's scoring runs recently has been very annoying, because you can't poke fun at how ridiculously bad he is anymore and he absolutely did not deserve the chances he has gotten.
The Sean
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No, I meant in terms of when he played - averaging 27 in the 1890s/1900s can't really be compared to averaging 27 in the 1990s/2000s.
Teja.
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Finally a list to show how extraordinarily weird Ranatunga was in comparison to other specialist batsmen who batted in the top 6 for 90+ tests. Batting average not too different from some of the others but that century count of 4 is pretty nuts. He batted at No. 5 for about 2/3rd of his career as well. Must have made 30-50 very, very often to maintain that average. This would have looked even weirder without the existence of Fleming:
