KKD Karthik will replace Parthiv Patel

[marc71178]

That's why i don't like his continuous selection. What has age got to do with it. Isn't Karthik off the same age? Personally i think Patel deserves his position by merit in the tests but i would give Karthik a go in the onedayers.

Which would require a batsman to be dropped then.

Which one would you replace him with?

 

[V Reddy]

Which would require a batsman to be dropped then.

Which one would you replace him with?

I would select him in the squad and not in the 11. Then would give him chances in inconsequential games like Parthiv has been given chances. Dravid is anyway not going to keep in the next WC as he would be around 35 and so i think it's better to relieve Dravid of that burden in the home season coming up against Aus and Saf on flat batting tracks. On who to drop, will depend on the performances of Laxman and Kaif. I will drop one of them when Dravid isn't going to continue anymore.

 

[Sanz]

A lot of unnecessary emphasis is laid on a wicketkeeper's batting. This is why most wicketkeepers of today are not up to international standards.

That's really a poor analysis. Look at the wicket keepers in the world today Gilly, Sangakara, Jones, Mcullum, Jacobs, Boucher. One reason why australia is doing so well because of Gilly's batting. Gilly's batting ability allows australia to play an extra allrounder or batsman. Same is true with Sangakarra.

 

[deeps]

there is a window of opportunity for every team to win matches....the australian domination is not going to last forever......... england dominated for a perdio,then the aussies,the west indies,the pakistanis,etc. every1 has their turn..and it lasts for a few years a piece

the problem with the indian team now is...this is probably the best team they are going to have on paper for a long time...they have at least 3 world class batsman in tendulkr dravid and laxman...some very capable backups....2 world class spinners,and a very good upcoming talent in pathan, and some potential in zaheer and nehra

they need to put the absolute best in this team,...because it has the potential to go places and be great...as shown in the australian tour, where india were so close... patel had a few terrible matches that MAYBE a better keeper/batsman could have turned...

cricket has changed alot in the last decade or two...a keeper is now also considered an extra batsman... they're batting must be good, not just acceptable, and they're keepin must b brilliant

by the time patel develops into a good player (if he ever does),it will be another 3 years....by then sachin,dravid and many others will be past their primes...a wasted opportunity to do great things

sure,they have upcoming talent........but by the time they develop.................

 

[Sanz]

But Patel seem to be the best of Ratra, Dahiya, Dasgupta etc lot. As for Karthik, we dont really know how good he is, do we ?? If his performance in U-19 is any criteria then check out PP's performance in U-19. I am totally against dropping a player after couple of failures esp when we dont have any proven alternative.

 

[la28]

He hasn't really had much time to do anything in domestic cricket.
Scores of 62 and 63 against the world champions by a keeper sounds pretty damn good to me. The 63 against Pakistan was during a very important match, he was also opening! WOW! that's some great scores against the all mighty ZIMBABWEANS I wouldn't take those figures too seriously.

There's no doubt that he is a promising young player, but does he have the mental toughness of Patel? Patel seems to already have everthing Karthick can offer + some international experience.

Free pass? You obviously have no knowledge of selection policies and quite frankly the Indian selectors must see more in Patel than in Karthick. His name has mainly become popular because of the hype from non-Patel supporters.

ok you said "Patel hasn't really had much time to do anything in domestic cricket". THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MY POINT IS. How come he didn't have to do much in domestic cricket to make it to the indian team? explain it to me please. And for the person who said "Karthik averages 45 in domestic cricket but a pathetic 15 in list A limited over matches" Patel averages 31 in domestic cricket and 19 in list A limited over matches. How is that better that Parthiv? You people can go support Patel for tests, fine. I'm sure he can edge some fours here and there. I was wrong about his 63 against the aussies coming at a time when india was 600, We were at 570, BIG WHOOP, man I wonder how he handled the pressure. But you have to agree with me when I say that Patel stinks at One-day, he averages 14.66, he can't find the gap. Dont try to defend him by saying he's young cuz Karthik's the same age. he has had plenty of opportunities in one-day cricket, there have been times when ganguly was stupid enough to make patel open. Did he do anything? no. that's my point. I dont care if patel stays in tests. I dont know how good a test player karthik is but i do know he's a big hitter and india is desperate is for someone with his style of batting. This whole "grooming a youngster" thing isnt gonna work if the youngster has as big a swollen head as patel does. How many commercials has he done so far? All I'm saying is that you people should look at other indian wicketkeepers as at least an option. Dont just say "he must be the best one if he's in the indian team". Take some time to at least consider the thought of someone being better than patel. If you dont want to believe me when i say karthik's talented, then at least listen to sachin.

 

[Sanz]

You are a funny guy and have ZERO respect for facts. Parthiv has played more tests than ODIs and you say he has been given enough chances in ODIs ?? Look at his competitors, Ajay Ratra Avg. 12.85 in 12 games, Dahiya 16.61 in 19 games, Nayan Mongia 20 in 140 games.

As for what Sachin says about 'Karthik', do you want to know what Sachin says about Parthiv ?? Let me guess, No, you dont want to hear what Sachin has to say about PP, because Sachin must be wrong in that case, selectors are wrong, only couple of you folks, who have no idea about how good/bad Karthik is , know it all.

 

[marc71178]

I would select him in the squad and not in the 11. Then would give him chances in inconsequential games like Parthiv has been given chances. Dravid is anyway not going to keep in the next WC as he would be around 35 and so i think it's better to relieve Dravid of that burden in the home season coming up against Aus and Saf on flat batting tracks. On who to drop, will depend on the performances of Laxman and Kaif. I will drop one of them when Dravid isn't going to continue anymore.

Well if Dravid isn't going to keep in WC 07, I wouldn't have him keeping now.

Thinking it through, if they decide in 2006 to stop him keeping, what if they don't find a good keeper before the World Cup? They then go in with a shoddy keeper and get knocked out early?

By trying now they have 3 years to find the right one.

 

[Arjun]

Vinayak Samant is the man. No drop or missed stumping from him. He can keep.

Let one of the bowlers do the batting instead.

 

[la28]

really

Really? I havent heard about him. Who does he play for?

Vinayak Samant is the man. No drop or missed stumping from him. He can keep.

Let one of the bowlers do the batting instead.

 

[steds]

Vinayak Samant is the man. No drop or missed stumping from him. He can keep.

Let one of the bowlers do the batting instead.

But...
a) he has never scored a first class hundred and averages 23 in first class cricket
b) he's 31 years old, not the age to begin an international career

 

[TendulkarFan]

First and foremost, Dravid needs to be relieved of his duties as a wicketkeeper. The phrase "catches win matches" applies to wicketkeepers too and Indian think tank seems to have forgotten that. Results of a makeshift keeper include not only missed catches, but missed runouts (like in Asia cup final), missed stumpings and more allowance of byes and wides (off balls that a specialist keeper would be able to stop) as well.

Now to replace him, Patel is not a great choice as he doesn't have the big-hitting ability. Any big-hitting wicketkeeper would be a better choice, as long as he is a wicket-keeper first and a batsman second (unlike Dravid.)

 

[Langeveldt]

haha, why do i feel like no-one likes patel??

Because he has a baby face I would love to take a fist to

 

[Richard]

i think the problem is that now Gilchrist has been on the scene for a bit, supporters of other countries cant understand why their country cant produce a similar player...people need to face up to the fact that Gilchrist is the type of player that comes around once every 20 years or so,and most teams will have to settle for a keeper who aves in the 30's (which is very respectable IMO)

Even if Gilchrist isn't as good as his scorebook-average makes him look, he's still one of the best 'keeper-batsmen ever to have played the game.
I'll be rather amazed if this Kartik fellow is anything like as good and certainly we can't judge on a few games in Zimababwe.

 

[steds]

Even if Gilchrist isn't as good as his scorebook-average makes him look, he's still one of the best 'keeper-batsmen ever to have played the game.
I'll be rather amazed if this Kartik fellow is anything like as good and certainly we can't judge on a few games in Zimababwe.

The bitter, hateful one makes sense.
Karthik needs to be tried in the full Indian team before we can judge whether he is Indias saviour or not.
As for Gilchrist, I also have to agree. Though I don't think it is his scorebook average alone that makes him so great, but that statistic combined with his strike rates of 82 in tests and 94 in ODI's

 

[V Reddy]

The bitter, hateful one makes sense.
Karthik needs to be tried in the full Indian team before we can judge whether he is Indias saviour or not.

He is definately not the saviour . He will only make the team if Dravid doesn't keep anymore. It's just that he is better at ODI's than Patel is.

 

[Nate]

He is definately not the saviour . He will only make the team if Dravid doesn't keep anymore. It's just that he is better at ODI's than Patel is.

but he has never played one!! and does he only average 19 odd in one-dayers? or were u referring to dravid?

 

[Arjun]

But...
a) he has never scored a first class hundred and averages 23 in first class cricket
b) he's 31 years old, not the age to begin an international career

He's still ready for a big game. His batting is no concern- wicketkeeping is. He does not drop catches and miss stumpings. He keeps to spinners very well, just like Nayan Mongia, which is why he has a major role to play in this team, with Kumble as a strike bowler.

If wicketkeepers have to bat like the top-6, why not bowlers?

 

[delkap]

If wicketkeepers have to bat like the top-6, why not bowlers?

Then why not have batsmen bowl like top-line bowlers ??
Some how importance of wk ability has gone down, and ODI cricket and Adam Gilchrist are to blame for that

 

[Nate]

Then why not have batsmen bowl like top-line bowlers ??
Some how importance of wk ability has gone down, and ODI cricket and Adam Gilchrist are to blame for that

you cant BLAME gilly for that!! just because he is excellent at both, doesnt mean he is to blame. it is the modern perception that you need to be an excellent bat as well as a keeper. however i believe this shouldnt be the case. i think jones ahead of read is a good move, jones is a very good keeper IMO anywhoo and he averages 10, 15, 20 odd more anyway.