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smash84
The Tiger King
Somebody took the effort to put a whole collection of saqlain doosras 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKsDz3MmmuA
Saqlain, what a legend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKsDz3MmmuA
Saqlain, what a legend
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
How about this for the chuck though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mIPQdTTtys
Saqlain used his finger and not the elbow for the straighter one. However, in doosra, one has to use the elbow. Even in the 15 minute video (most of them were not doosras or straighter ones - they were normal off spinners), if you look at the delivery at 4.48 where he gets the Aussie player, there is a lot of use of the elbow.
smash84
The Tiger King
yep, that one i didn't post on purpose because that looked like a chuck
However you choose to discount all the doosras that look fine and just focus on the ones that don't. All it takes is one doosra that is fine to disprove your point.
And **** you, that all others are topspinners and off spinners. The ones at 5:03 and then at 5:15 to jimmy adams are doosra, so is the one to sachin at 6:13. And the one to khurasiya at 8:04. And the one to henry olonga at 9:10 and the list goes on. These are all perfect doosras. You didn't even watch the video, liar
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TheJediBrah
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Has anyone thought about the practicality of umpires calling no-balls in games though?
Surely it would be exceedingly difficult to watch the arm and the front line for no-balls at the same time.
But then there's the practicality of umpires calling no-balls in games
Surely it would be exceedingly difficult to watch the arm and the front line for no-balls at the same time.
Surely it would be exceedingly difficult to watch the arm and the front line for no-balls at the same time.
Ugh that's ugly. Makes you think umps should be able to call certain deliveries in-game.
But then there's the practicality of umpires calling no-balls in games
Surely it would be exceedingly difficult to watch the arm and the front line for no-balls at the same time.
Pratters
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The two you linked, the one from the Asia v ROW has the same issue of elbow. Have to slow it down. With Saqlain it's less obvious though, as he uses his fingers a lot. The other one is not the doosra.
I did watch it till Sachin got out (and I turned it off then) and a lot of the deliveries were not doosras till then.And **** you, that all others are topspinners and off spinners. The ones at 5:03 and then at 5:15 to jimmy adams are doosra, so is the one to sachin at 6:13. And the one to khurasiya at 8:04. You didn't even watch the video, liar
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smash84
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Usually the square leg umpire would call out the chuck. It isn't very efficient to be watching for the chuck if you're standing behind the bowler and also looking for the no ball
TheJediBrah
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Saqlain's action looks a bit better than most dodgy offies these days IMO.
But can you say that he should have been allowed to bowl the doosra because some of the time he didn't chuck it?
But can you say that he should have been allowed to bowl the doosra because some of the time he didn't chuck it?
smash84
The Tiger King
Yes, but a lot of them were. You didn't even watch the doosras to the west indian batsmen at 5:03 and then to jimmy adams at 5:17. And you didn't see the one to khurasiya and to henry olonga at 9:10 (that is such a perfect round arm doosra). so yeah, it CAN be bowled legally.
smash84
The Tiger King
The point of the matter is that it CAN be bowled legally. He did chuck it some of the time. Most of the time it looks clean. So yeah if a bowler can bowl it cleanly then it should be allowed. The argument being presented was that the doosra CANNOT be bowled legally. We know that it can be.
TheJediBrah
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It's debatable IMO. If someone comes along who can bowl it consistently, 100% of the time with a legal bowling action and they can prove it, then they should be allowed to bowl it.
saying you should ban the delivery outright is a bit overboard imo
saying you should ban the delivery outright is a bit overboard imo
Migara
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I do know a family with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, who are local club level cricketers. Two brothers in fact. One is a off break bowler, and the way he spins the wrist is mind boggling. His stock ball is a top spinner, and he has demonstrated me bowling a doosra with his arm held still at a reasonable pace. Other one is a medium pacer, and his slower ball is a doosra, once again bowled with a gun barrel straight arm. These two are very skilled, but their lower body, the hypermobility of knees and cardiac issues have prevented playing them at a higher level.
cnerd123
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I think the problem people have with the doosra is they keep thinking of it as a variation like a topspinner or an outswinger that pretty much anyone can bowl with the right technique and a bit of practice. But it isn't. To bowl the doosra fairly, and not chuck it, is more like trying to bowl >140 kmph. Most people just dont have the natural physica gifts required to acheive it, and even if they did it takes a serious amount of time and training in order to do it constantly.
cnerd123
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So you admit you are wrong? About how the doosra is bowled, about its legality, and about Murali's action?
smash84
The Tiger King
I think that's an interesting point
Victor Ian
International Coach
I've jumped in at the end rather than read heaps of pages (Still pooped from doing that on the 2015 rankings thread). Why can't they just get the bowlers to wear a red wrist, elbow and armband and then just track it live. Perhaps something like a thin wire with small charge running down the arm and you could detect flex by changes in the magnetic field and the bowlers could be inflicted with a stronger electric charge when they flexed outside acceptable limits crushing them in involuntary contractions. Would be awesome viewing.