Is Ricky Ponting a better batsman than Brian Lara?

[Avada Kedavra]

People who rate Lara are delusional and Courtney Walsh is a great batsman.
You're right, excellent point.

You clearly lack the ability to read and understand.

 

[Ikki]

People seem to miss out the point that when it was difficult and against the best (i.e. the best attacks in the 90s) Ponting actually did do better than Lara.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

You clearly lack the ability to read and understand.

Nope. That's why I pointed you out as a multi-posting troll after your first three posts and have been proved right.

 

[aussie]

I've never really understood the CW obsession with scoring runs when batting is especially difficult. They don't inherently help your team more than runs on flat-ish decks.

Average batsmen & very good batsman can score runs on flat decks. But only the very good batsmen can score runs when batting conditions becomes difficult.

I dont see how that is CW obsession. That is pretty much proven throughout cricket history.

If it is CW obsession thats mean CW really does have the most knowledgeable cricket fans in world, so come join the bandwagon..

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Average batsmen & very good batsman can score runs on flat decks. But only the very good batsmen can score runs when batting conditions becomes difficult.

I dont see how that is CW obsession. That is pretty much proven throughout cricket history.

If it is CW obsession thats mean CW really does have the most knowledgeable cricket fans in world, so come join the bandwagon..

I think his point is if only 1 game in 30 is played on seaming tracks and/or against a world class attack, it is pretty much negligible.

 

[Ikki]

Very good batsmen score less when the going is easier, and score more when it's harder. Makes sense.

Not.

 

[Streetwise]

Lara is one of the handful of true batting geniuses in the history of the game.
Fans of cricket should just be grateful to have had two geniuses like Lara and Tendulkar playing in the same era along side Ponting instead of this continual petty decimal point scoring.

Lara and Tendulkar are simply overrated by some, they are no better than most of the top batsmen from all eras. I have watched both over their respective careers and although they are very good they are not extrordinary in any way.

 

[Uppercut]

That is a good point, teams win on flat decks so you need batsmen who can bat on flat decks. It dosent matter what the deck is like you still need to outscore the opposition to win a match.

It's pretty unique to cricket. No one would ever say Darren Bent is a better player than Lionel Messi because he always scores his goals against the big teams in the league whereas Messi hasn't proved himself often enough against tough English defences. That might sound extreme, but it's pretty close to Hayden<Atherton as comparisons go. That's how far some people take this stuff.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Lara and Tendulkar are simply overrated by some, they are no better than most of the top batsmen from all eras. I have watched both over their respective careers and although they are very good they are not extrordinary in any way.

I think you need to watch a bit closer.

 

[Streetwise]

Nope. That's why I pointed you out as a multi-posting troll after your first three posts and have been proved right.

you seem to be the troll here, make your point but why make it personal.

 

[Uppercut]

Very good batsmen score less when the going is easier, and score more when it's harder. Makes sense.

Not.

Yeah, exactly. Ponting looks in trouble against top-quality bowling far more often than Tendulkar does, IMO. But they both score a comparable amount of runs, because Tendulkar occasionally throws his wicket away to Cameron White or some equally rubbish bowler.

How can this be used as an argument in favour of Tendulkar? I'm not saying Tendulkar isn't better, because that's a perfectly fair opinion. But isn't this particular line of argument completely invalid?

 

[Lillian Thomson]

you seem to be the troll here, make your point but why make it personal.

Nothing personal about it, just a fact.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Nope. That's why I pointed you out as a multi-posting troll after your first three posts and have been proved right.

How have I been trolling? Incidentally, you are the one trolling here.Go back and look who sidetracked the discussion in the first place.I am sure there are mods around here to tell me what to do and what not to do.If they don't have a problem, I don't see why you should.

 

[Ikki]

Agree with Streetwise. There's nothing extraordinary with regards to Tendulkar/Lara over Ponting or any other all-time great. Simply put, between these batsmen there is very very little. The one I have encountered to have the most significant aura or capitivation is Viv Richards and to say he is "anyday, or light years" better than any other all-time great is simply hyperbole of the irrelevant kind. Just like it is here.

 

[Streetwise]

I think you need to watch a bit closer.

No offense Lillian but I think my experience would suggest otherwise. But then again I'm not a cricket fan I actually play and years ago made a living from it.

 

[GIMH]

It's pretty unique to cricket. No one would ever say Darren Bent is a better player than Lionel Messi because he always scores his goals against the big teams in the league whereas Messi hasn't proved himself often enough against tough English defences. That might sound extreme, but it's pretty close to Hayden<Atherton as comparisons go. That's how far some people take this stuff.

Sorry I've noticed this a few times lately, but isn't the one that caused the uproar Hussain>hayden?

 

[Lillian Thomson]

How have I been trolling? Incidentally, you are the one trolling here.Go back and look who sidetracked the discussion in the first place.I am sure there are mods around here to tell me what to do and what not to do.If they don't have a problem, I don't see why you should.

I think you're a previous user who's been banned a few times before. No particular concern to me, just pointing it out.

 

[Ikki]

Yeah, exactly. Ponting looks in trouble against top-quality bowling far more often than Tendulkar does, IMO.

I highlight the IMO part because it is probably the most important part of your post. I thank you for having the awareness of placing it there.

It is merely an arbitrary and subjective quality with regards to how people react to certain styles and approaches to batting. For me, Sehwag and Gilchrist look like Gods when on song. But I clearly know they are probably not even the best batsmen of their eras. To simply disregard what others have achieved or exaggerate more on behalf of Sehwag and Gilchrist merely because of how I reacted to their batting, rather than their actual records, is not befitting someone who wishes to seriously debate the efforts of said batsmen.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

I think you're a previous user who's been banned a few times before. No particular concern to me, just pointing it out.

I don't care what you think, it doesn't make an iota of difference. Ftr I just joined last month, and if you have any problem, I suggest you go to one of the mods instead of hijacking my threads with your nonsense

 

[Lillian Thomson]

No offense Lillian but I think my experience would suggest otherwise. But then again I'm not a cricket fan I actually play and years ago made a living from it.

That doesn't make you anymore of an authority on the subject. Anyway if that's your opinion on Lara and Tendulkar you're entitled to it and there's no definitive right or wrong opinion.