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ICC Best-Ever ODI Championship Rating Draft

Zinzan

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Re: Gilly, It's the first time I've ever seen anybody cite his 35 average as a mark against him. He's not one of your top 3-4 ODI openers of all-time(with the added bonus of being keeper)? And Trescothick's 37 @ 85 is right up there in terms of ODI openers numbers, especially considering he played in the pre-T20 era, (2000-2006). Finally Darren Lehmann was a lot better than 'Okish' as a ODI bat, even when we're choosing from the top players.
 

Zinzan

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**** me this is an excruciatingly slow finish. C'mon fellas, I want to get the teams lined up so I can provide and quick analysis.

MM > Agent > J_C
 

J_C

U19 Captain
Don't think MrMr or Agent TBY can pick him so I'd go ahead and take Clive Lloyd.

David Warner 726
Jason Roy 537
IVA Richards 935 / 6
Clive Lloyd 805 (c)
Brad Hodge 463
Jos Buttler + 706
Ian Botham 705 / 3
James Faulkner 628 / 5
Joel Garner 940 / 1
Len Pascoe 599 / 2
Derek Underwood 541 / 4

Balance - 5
 
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Zinzan

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^ That's got to be right up there. Arguably both the best ODI batsman & bowler of all -time.

I would ticker with your batting order though. Botham should def be ahead of Faulkner 'the finisher' and possibly even Buttler too...
 
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mr_mister

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Grant Flower @ 707 leaving with me 21 points left, nearly spent my balance perfectly

Mark Greatbatch
Grant Flower (8)
Steve Smith *
Michael Bevan (7)
Steve Tikolo (6)
Lance Klusener (4)
Chris Harris (5)
Shane Lee (3)
Wasim Bari +
Michael Holding (1)
Nathan Bracken (2)


Opening bowlers my strongest suit I supposed. Other than that I'm going for deep depth with bat and ball. Shane Lee and Chris Harris were fine ODI bowlers but if they do get carted, Klusener, Tikolo, Bevan and even Flower can chip in to rack up the overs. We're going for restriction not looking to bowl teams out.

Greatbatch had moments of brilliance as opener, Flower scored a lot of fifties(and 90s) Smith and Bevan the best 2 bats, Tikolo the wild card, Klusener and Harris had far superior ODI batting records to their test records, Shane Lee is a decent number 8 and usually batted higher, and Wasim Bari at 9 is an okay ship steadier if need be.


So yeah not flashy but a solid team
 

Zinzan

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Grant Flower @ 707 leaving with me 21 points left, nearly spent my balance perfectly

Mark Greatbatch
Grant Flower (8)
Steve Smith *
Michael Bevan (7)
Steve Tikolo (6)
Lance Klusener (4)
Chris Harris (5)
Shane Lee (3)
Wasim Bari +
Michael Holding (1)
Nathan Bracken (2)


Opening bowlers my strongest suit I supposed. Other than that I'm going for deep depth with bat and ball. Shane Lee and Chris Harris were fine ODI bowlers but if they do get carted, Klusener, Tikolo, Bevan and even Flower can chip in to rack up the overs. We're going for restriction not looking to bowl teams out.

Greatbatch had moments of brilliance as opener, Flower scored a lot of fifties(and 90s) Smith and Bevan the best 2 bats, Tikolo the wild card, Klusener and Harris had far superior ODI batting records to their test records, Shane Lee is a decent number 8 and usually batted higher, and Wasim Bari at 9 is an okay ship steadier if need be.


So yeah not flashy but a solid team
Yeah, not terrible, but far from your best effort. Really lacking ATGs for mine, with only Klusener & Bevan fitting that criteria. Bracken & Holding, were both two of the better bowlers of their era though, must be said. Re: Steve Smith. I'm not even sure that he makes a current top 10 ODI batsmen list would he? And whilst Greatbatch was a bit of a pioneer in terms of clearing the ring, he did only average about 27 IIRC. Lots of handy bowling options though and good fielding side.
 
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mr_mister

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yeah. I didn't really have a good strategy for point spending and it soon became a case of picking players I like who I never pick (Flower, Harris, Tikolo) moreso than gunning for the win.
 

Zinzan

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It's always a tough balance between cheap journeymen and great players in this type of draft format. But yeah, does require a lot more strategy than the country drafts we've been doing where it's primarily a case of 'first in, best dressed". Agent nabbing Alan Knott (who played exactly 20 matches) for 300 odd after spending big on a couple of ATGs was a bit a masterstroke.
 

Agent TBY

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Kinda backed myself into a corner with the impulse Amla pick, but eh, it's Hashim ****ing Amla.

There are some other more recognisable names I could pick, but I'll go with Scot Matt Machan (455) to finish my side. He put on some very respectable performances at the WC, and he has decent stats overall.

AMD Radeon 7590XI

1. Hashim Amla 901
2. Matt Machan 455
3. Joe Root 743
4. Angelo Mathews 707 (6)
5. MS Dhoni 836 (c)
6. Corey Anderson 604 (5)
7. Alan Knott 375 (wk)
8. Shane Warne 787 (4)
9. Mitchell Starc 783 (1)
10. Hamid Hassan 478 (2)
11. Muttiah Muralitharan 913 (3)

Remaining: 8

Really quite happy with that overall. The side has three bona fide ODI ATGs, and a bunch of other absolute guns to go with them. And more than anything, I'd love to see Warne and Murali bowling in tandem, holding a vice grip on the scoring during the middle overs.
 

AldoRaine18

State Vice-Captain
Gilly, while great at the role demanded by Australia back then, is essentially a 35+ avg. batsman. He is gonna run away with the game now and then but in an ATG side, you need more. Tresco was good but I wouldn't say among the ATGs again. Punter is the only one who is really ATG level greatness there. Lehmann again is OKish at best as a #4. That is why I feel it ain't the strongest he could have pulled out. Essentially, if he could have traded either of Harvey or Razzaq, preferably Harvey, for a batsman, I feel his side would be much better balanced.
I'll just have to disagree with that ridiculous evaluation entirely.

"you need more"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egxEfBI3hyk
 

Zinzan

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Could I ask everyone to post their final XIs if they haven't already, including skipper and bowling orders, basically however you want it presented for the vote-off, I'll allow the next 48 hours.
 

Zinzan

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Disregard the above, I seem to have all XIs, however feel free to add bowling orders/skipper if you haven't already;

Here's how it all rolls up


MM XI

Mark Greatbatch
Grant Flower (8)
Steve Smith *
Michael Bevan (7)
Steve Tikolo (6)
Lance Klusener (4)
Chris Harris (5)
Shane Lee (3)
Wasim Bari +
Michael Holding (1)
Nathan Bracken (2)



Springbok & Kiwi Pâté XI

1. Herschelle Gibbs
2. Jesse Ryder (6)
3. Colin Ingram
4. Brian Lara
5. Jimmy Maher
6. Brendon McCullum +
7. Chris Cairns (4)
8. Nicky Boje (5)
9. Richard Hadlee (1)
10. Wasim Akram (2)
11. Dale Steyn (3)

Morg XI

1. Majid Khan (8)
2. Sanath Jayasuriya (6)
3. Dean Jones
4. Brendan Taylor
5. Adam Voges (7)
6. Glenn Maxwell (5)
7. Imran Khan * (1)
8. Ian Smith +
9. Ajantha Mendis (4)
10. Shoaib Akhtar (2)
11. Geoff Allott (3)

Aldo XI

01. Adam Gilchrist+
02. Marcus Trescothick
03. Ricky Ponting*
04. Darren Lehmann [7]
05. Roshan Mahanama
06. Abdul Razzaq [3]
07. Ian Harvey [6]
08. Andy Bichel [5]
09. Tim Southee [1]
10. Waqar Younis [2]
11. Paul Adams [4]



CricZo XI

1. Virender Sehwag / o - 8
2. Quinton de Kock + / -
3. Azhar Ali / -
4. Alviro Petersen / -
5. Yuvraj Singh / o - 7
6. Andrew Symonds / o - 5
7. Grant Elliott / o - 6
8. DJ Bravo o / - 3
9. Saqlain Mushtaq o - 4
10. Shane Bond o - 1
11. Morne Morkel o - 2


J_C XI

David Warner
Jason Roy
IVA Richards / 6
Clive Lloyd (c)
Brad Hodge
Jos Buttler +
Ian Botham / 3
James Faulkner / 5
Joel Garner / 1
Len Pascoe / 2
Derek Underwood / 4


AMD Radeon 7590XI

1. Hashim Amla
2. Matt Machan
3. Joe Root
4. Angelo Mathews (6)
5. MS Dhoni (c)
6. Corey Anderson (5)
7. Alan Knott (wk)
8. Shane Warne (4)
9. Mitchell Starc (1)
10. Hamid Hassan (2)
11. Muttiah Muralitharan (3)



OS XI

Mark Waugh (6)
Saeed Anwar
Damien Martyn
Doug Walters
AB de Villiers
Andrew Flintoff (3)
Tony Greig (4) (c)
Chris Read (wk)
Brad Hogg (5)
Lasith Malinga (2)
Glenn McGrath (1)

anil1405 XI

1. Tillakaratne Dilshan
2. Shane Watson
3. Virat Kohli (C)
4. Shakib Al Hasan
5. Michael Hussey
6. Paul Collingwood
7. Ben Stokes
8. Courtney Browne +
9. Mitchell Johnson
10. Kemar Roach
11. Allan Donald


Packer endorsed XI

01 Romesh Kaluwitharana +
02 Simon Katich
03 Mohinder Amarnath
04 Stephen Waugh c
05 Jonty Rhodes
06 David Hookes
07 Shahid Afridi
08 Kapil Dev
09 Jason Holder
10 Roger Harper
11 Malcolm Marshall


Honest Hunks - The ODI Version

Sachin Tendulkar (8)
Andrew Strauss ©
Jacques Kallis (6)
Mominul Haque
Andy Flower (wk)
Mitchell Marsh (4)
JP Duminy (7)
Wahab Riaz (3)
Ryan Harris (2)
Curtly Ambrose (1)
Imran Tahir (5)
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I'll just have to disagree with that ridiculous evaluation entirely.

"you need more"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egxEfBI3hyk

Lol.. u can essentially claim that for most batsmen. There is a reason why Gilly averaged what he does... It's coz he didn't come off quite a number of times. He was allowed to play the way he does given the ridiculous middle order strength and depth Australia had and your side doesn't have that. I was not even burning your side so far, just mentioning that you would have been better served had you gotten a batsman instead of the two allrounders in the middle there... It would have made your side awesome from being genuinely good, as it is currently. That is all. Hope it clears it up. Was never trying to suggest your side was bad or anything. Guess the posts came off way more critical than I meant them to be. Sorry about that. :)


EDIT: The point about Gilly is that he is best only when he is allowed to play the way he did in that Aussie line up and with your batting line up, I dont think he can or even if he does, you will find yourself collapsing a number of times because the middle order back up isn't strong enough or good enough to take on other AT combinations if we assume games against other sides in this thread. Still a really really good side, but could have been better had you had another batsman at 6 than an all-rounder seeing you already have very good fast medium bowling options.
 
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Zinzan

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Righto fellas, as I'm in between contracts and the missus is out of town, I took the liberty of rating all the teams (except mine) for what it's worth.

Here's my ratings and rankings in order;

1st place (with 7.75/10);

OS XI


Mark Waugh (6)
Saeed Anwar
Damien Martyn
Doug Walters
AB de Villiers
Andrew Flintoff (3)
Tony Greig (4) (c)
Chris Read (wk)
Brad Hogg (5)
Lasith Malinga (2)
Glenn McGrath (1)

Lots to love about OS's XI. At first glance he looks to have most bases covered. 3 bonafide ATGs in McGrath, Flintoff & AB, along with some greats of their own eras in Anwar & Waugh Jr.

Batting: Wonderful left right opening combo of Waugh & Anwar (one of the most underrated ODI players of all time), the classy Martyn at 3 and some real hitting strength in the middle with AB, Freddy & Tong Greig.

Overall batting 8/10

Bowling: Great opening attack of McGrath and Malinga, with Freddy (one of the best yorker exponents I've seen) at first change, the handy Brad Hogg & the difficult to hit Tong Greig.

Overall bowling 7.5/10

Overall rating: 7.75/10



2nd equal (with 7.5/10);

CricZo XI


1. Virender Sehwag / o - 8
2. Quinton de Kock + / -
3. Azhar Ali / -
4. Alviro Petersen / -
5. Yuvraj Singh / o - 7
6. Andrew Symonds / o - 5
7. Grant Elliott / o - 6
8. DJ Bravo o / - 3
9. Saqlain Mushtaq o - 4
10. Shane Bond o - 1
11. Morne Morkel o - 2

Now to our Silver/Bronze specialist KK. Bonafide ATGs? Well the incredibly underrated Saqlain for sure and then it's hard to say, but Symonds & Bond are certainly right up there

Batting: Exciting opening combination of Sehwag and de Kock, a little mediocre at 3 & 4, but plenty of power at 5 & 6 with Symonds and Yuvraj & plenty of depth with Elliott and D J Bravo and 7 & 8.

Bowling: Superb opening attack in Bond and Morkel, arguably the greatest ODI spinner, the craftly D J Bravo followed by the Symonds and Elliott - which could be an expensive 5th bowling option.

Overall batting: 7.5/10

Overall bowling: 7.5/10

Overall rating 7.5/10

&

J_C XI


David Warner
Jason Roy
IVA Richards / 6
Clive Lloyd (c)
Brad Hodge
Jos Buttler +
Ian Botham / 3
James Faulkner / 5
Joel Garner / 1
Len Pascoe / 2
Derek Underwood / 4

Another incredibly strong looking draft side from J_C, with arguably both the greatest ODI batsman and bowler of all-time in Viv & Joel, and Clive Lloyd is a def ODI ATG for mine.

Batting: Potentially explosive opening combo with Warner and Roy, followed by rock stars Viv & Clive at 3 & 4. And some nice hitting power in Buttler, Botham & the finisher Faulkner & 6,7 & 8. Garner could hit a long ball too, but is possibly a batting position to high at 9.

Overall Batting: 8.5/10

Bowling: GOAT Garner is the obvious stand-out, but then followed by solid but not so great seamers in Pascoe, Faulkner & Botham. Tough to rate Underwood is the spin option as although we know he was a great Test spinner, he only played 26 ODIs and the very early days when few bowlers went for over 4 an over.

Overall Bowling: 6.5/10

Overall rating: 7.5/10


3rd equal: (7.25/10)

Aldo XI


01. Adam Gilchrist+
02. Marcus Trescothick
03. Ricky Ponting*
04. Darren Lehmann [7]
05. Roshan Mahanama
06. Abdul Razzaq [3]
07. Ian Harvey [6]
08. Andy Bichel [5]
09. Tim Southee [1]
10. Waqar Younis [2]
11. Paul Adams [4]

One of the best sides on show for mine, with two bonafide ATGs in Gilchrist and Ponting with Tresothick (underrated ODI openers) and Younis not far behind.

Batting: Gotta love that opening partnership of Gilly & Treso and jeez it would be good watching if they got going, followed by the solid & classy Punter at 3. Some genuine dashers at 6,7,8 & 9 in Razzaq, Harvey, Bichel & Southee.

Overall batting: 8/10

Bowling: Plenty of options with Waqar & Southee sharing the new nut & Bichel, Razzaq & Harvey in support. Spin dept is a little lacking with only Paul Adams who has a decent ODI record, but only played 24 games.


Overall bowling: 6.5

Overall rating 7.25/ 10



AMD Radeon 7590XI

1. Hashim Amla
2. Matt Machan
3. Joe Root
4. Angelo Mathews (6)
5. MS Dhoni (c)
6. Corey Anderson (5)
7. Alan Knott (wk)
8. Shane Warne (4)
9. Mitchell Starc (1)
10. Hamid Hassan (2)
11. Muttiah Muralitharan (3)


Agent TBY, another traditionally strong drafter once again comes up with a fine looking XI. For me 2 ATGs in Murali & Starc, with Amla and Warne (slightly overrated in ODIs for mine), not far behind.

Batting: Top 4 looks solid enough overall with Amla, Root & Mathews, without being too explosive and putting fear into opposition like J_C's top order. Matt Machan does stands out as a real weakness in that top 4. That said, some good power @ 5 & 6 with Dhoni and Anderson, but then fizzles out a little with Knott & Warne at 7 & 8. Think your awesome bowling selection has left your batting a little thin tbh.

Overall Batting: 6/10

Bowling: The obvious strength of this side with Starc taking the new ball & Murali and Warne and the same XI. Not so sure about Hasan, Anderson & Mathews being so great covering the 4th and 5th bowling overs though.

Overall bowling: 8.5/10

Overall rating: 7.25/10

4th equal (6.75/10)

Morg XI


1. Majid Khan (8)
2. Sanath Jayasuriya (6)
3. Dean Jones
4. Brendan Taylor
5. Adam Voges (7)
6. Glenn Maxwell (5)
7. Imran Khan * (1)
8. Ian Smith +
9. Ajantha Mendis (4)
10. Shoaib Akhtar (2)
11. Geoff Allott (3)

Morg's XI - Good overall side with the two stand-outs for me being Jayasuria & Dean Jones, with Imran not far behind (although I maintain Imran gets a little overrated as an ODI cricketer.)

Batting - Fine left/right opening partnership with the explosive Jayasuria & Majid Khan, followed by star batsman Jones @ 3 and a very capable Brendan Taylor at 4 & some good hitting in the middle order with Maxwell and Imran. It's also easy to forget that keeper Ian Smith has a ODI batting career SR of 99 in an era (1981-1992) when average SRs were probably around 65.

Overall batting: 7/10

Bowling: Some really good ODI bowlers on show with no ATGs imho. Plenty of pace with Imran, Akhtar and Allott and would certainly exploit any movement, but could also be a little expensive on a bad day. Would personally give Allott the new ball with Imran with Akhtar first change, otherwise Allott is a bit of a waste. Some decent spin options with Mendis, Jayasuria and Maxwell and the added bonus of Majid who could bowl mediums or off-spin.

Overall bowling 6.5/10

Overall rating - 6.75/10





anil1405 XI


1. Tillakaratne Dilshan
2. Shane Watson
3. Virat Kohli (C)
4. Shakib Al Hasan
5. Michael Hussey
6. Paul Collingwood
7. Ben Stokes
8. Courtney Browne +
9. Mitchell Johnson
10. Kemar Roach
11. Allan Donald

Anil's side looks fairly consistent at first look, although appears to be lacking bonafide ATGs for mine, with only Kohli being a definite, with Donald, Hussey, Dilshan and Watto all in that level below for mine.

Batting: Very solid openers in Watson & Dilshan and excellent overall top 7, although lacks real explosive hitters in the middle compared to other sides on display, with really only Stokes ticking that box, and his ODI numbers aren't the best at this stage.

Overall Batting: 6.5

Bowling: A real express attack with Donald, Roach and Johnson all capable of hitting 150, but they could be really hittable on a slow pitch. A good spinner and some handy options for 5th bowler.

Overall bowling: 7

Overall rating: 6.75

5th equal (6.5/10)



Packer endorsed XI

01 Romesh Kaluwitharana +
02 Simon Katich
03 Mohinder Amarnath
04 Stephen Waugh c
05 Jonty Rhodes
06 David Hookes
07 Shahid Afridi
08 Kapil Dev
09 Jason Holder
10 Roger Harper
11 Malcolm Marshall

Handy side, really lacking ODI ATGs for mine with Kapil Dev the only bonafide one and arguably Marshall (for being Marshall) although I've always maintained he gets slightly overrated in ODIs. That said, a solid look about it across the board.

Overall batting: Some good solid ODI batsmen without the real fear factor, although if Hookes, Afridi & Kapil all fired down the order there could be fireworks, but Hookes and Afridi in particular were very hit & miss.

Overall Batting: 6.5

Bowling, the great MM opening with Kapil Dev presumably, (you may want to add your bowling order) and then handy, rather than really good bowlers there after, although plenty of options.

Overall Bowling: 6.5

Overall rating: 6.5/10


6th equal
(6.25/10)

Honest Hunks - The ODI Version


Sachin Tendulkar (8)
Andrew Strauss ©
Jacques Kallis (6)
Mominul Haque
Andy Flower (wk)
Mitchell Marsh (4)
JP Duminy (7)
Wahab Riaz (3)
Ryan Harris (2)
Curtly Ambrose (1)
Imran Tahir (5)

Finally to HB - Solid enough looking side, with two bonafide ATGs for me in Sachin & Ambrose, with Tahir, Flower & Kallis at the next level down (I've always felt Kallis gets overrated as an ODI player).

Batting: There's no doubt you have plenty of depth with the very capable Duminy batting all the way down at 7, although I do feel you lack explosive power hitting all the way through with only Mitchell Marsh likely to clear the ropes regularly. You better hope Sachin scores quickly up-front, because I'm not sure Strauss, Kallis, Haque and Flower would push it along too much.

Overall Batting: 6

Bowling: An excellent new ball attack with the great Curtly and underrated Harris, with Riaz at first change. Excellent spinner in Tahir , and plenty to share the 5th bowling option. Unlike your batting, you can afford some of the bowlers to have a bad day.

Overall Bowling: 6.5

Overall rating: 6.25/10


MM XI


Mark Greatbatch
Grant Flower (8)
Steve Smith *
Michael Bevan (7)
Steve Tikolo (6)
Lance Klusener (4)
Chris Harris (5)
Shane Lee (3)
Wasim Bari +
Michael Holding (1)
Nathan Bracken (2)

MM's side - Certainly not a weak side by any stretch, with two ATGs in Klusener and Bevan.

Top order batting looks a little light to me & a bit hit and miss with Greatbatch and Flower opening. The batting is however fairly deep with Klusener, Harris and Lee at 6,7 & 8.

Overall batting: 6/10

Bowling wise, a very good opening combination of Bracken & Holding, but real lack of penetration after that with the economical Harris & Lee, the inconsistent (with the ball) Klusener and part-timers to get through the 50 overs.

Overall Bowling 6.5/10

Overall rating 6.25/10




Springbok & Kiwi Pâté XI


1. Herschelle Gibbs
2. Jesse Ryder (6)
3. Colin Ingram
4. Brian Lara
5. Jimmy Maher
6. Brendon McCullum +
7. Chris Cairns (4)
8. Nicky Boje (5)
9. Richard Hadlee (1)
10. Wasim Akram (2)
11. Dale Steyn (3)

Pointless rating my own side since it would be 10/10 in both categories ;)
 
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jimmy101

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Wow, incredible writeup Zinzan! Someone needs to pay you to analyse these CW draft teams professionally. Hopefully it won't skew people perceptions too much come voting time though.

Anyway, the bowling order for my side would go like this: 1. Marshall 2. Kapil 3. Holder 4. Afridi 5. Harper 6. Waugh 7. Amarnath
 

kingkallis

International Coach
I am pretty pleased with my team there as well. I miscalculated at one point which is the reason I could not pick a strong / better No.4.
 

Zinzan

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Wow, incredible writeup Zinzan! Someone needs to pay you to analyse these CW draft teams professionally. Hopefully it won't skew people perceptions too much come voting time though.

Anyway, the bowling order for my side would go like this: 1. Marshall 2. Kapil 3. Holder 4. Afridi 5. Harper 6. Waugh 7. Amarnath
Cheers, I'll add that order into the poll.
 

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