Gilchrist given out LBW...

[Son Of Coco]

Try explaining that to Daniel Vettori...I'm sure he wouldn't see it as evening out

As far as a bowler is concerned 'evening out' wouldn't just refer to efforts against one batsman, but against everyone over their entire career. So if Vettori has never ever had a decision go his way against anyone then he may not feel like things are evening out, no.

You also tend to remember bad decisions that go against yourself or your team and forget the good ones.

 

[username1234]

an australian batsman never being given out lbw on home soil? Now why arnt i surprised.

 

[Mr Casson]

an australian batsman never being given out lbw on home soil? Now why arnt i surprised.

A Kiwi cricket supporter never piping down about how everything goes Australia's way?

Now why am I not surprised? ("Why aren't I surprised?" is a bit silly. )

 

[Zinzan]

Nothing better to say?

I don't really remember disagreeing with you much to be honest buddy. Having some fun in OT is a whole other story!

Either way, I don't hold a grudge. What annoys me is when people say stupid stuff, or when someone like zinzan12 has this obvious unfounded disdain for Adam Gilchrist. (Who knows why? Is he jealous? If Gilly was a Kiwi would we have less of the caustic rhetoric about how lucky he is?)

Get over it zinzan. When you wind up a grumpy, irascrible old armchair critic and you look back on the greatest cricketers you've seen, you'll wish you treasured watching one of the most unique cricketers in history. He won't be around forever, and you aren't going to see anyone else like him.

This is where you are wrong. If you'd read previous posts of mine, you'd know I rate Gilchrist as the most dangerous player in world cricket at the moment. I also started a thread comparing him with Viv Richards.

So no need to bring out the childish jealously comment into it. What I believe is that it a odd stat that he's never been LBW in 30odd test in Aust. I don't blame Gilchrist, I blame the umpires and would rather see technology take over so decisions are more clear and fairer for all concerned.

Where have I criticised Gilchrist or stated he wasn't a great player??????

no-where exactly

By the way Mr Carson, Don't ever bring up any points that maybe objectionable on this forum, otherwise you might be accused of being "jealous" against the given player

 

[Zinzan]

Nothing better to say?

.

To you and your childish comment about crying.....No

 

[Mr Casson]

Zinzan, all I've ever seen from you is bitching about how lucky Adam Gilchrist is. Either you secretly have a crush on him or you can't stand his success, particularly against NZ.

 

[Zinzan]

Zinzan, all I've ever seen from you is bitching about how lucky Adam Gilchrist is. Either you secretly have a crush on him or you can't stand his success, particularly against NZ.

Or perhaps I believe he has been lucky lately. Its quite simple really. No need to bring your strange fetishes about blokes liking other blokes into the discussion.

 

[JASON]

Or perhaps I believe he has been lucky lately. Its quite simple really. No need to bring your strange fetishes about blokes liking other blokes into the discussion.

 

[Eclipse]

Or perhaps I believe he has been lucky lately. Its quite simple really. No need to bring your strange fetishes about blokes liking other blokes into the discussion.

apart from the few discussed occasions when has he been lucky?

and for what it's worth those few occasions where just that, a few, not many, just your bad luck he made big scores.

 

[Mr Casson]

Or perhaps I believe he has been lucky lately. Its quite simple really. No need to bring your strange fetishes about blokes liking other blokes into the discussion.

And you called me childish...

If you can't put your opinion across without getting personal then you don't do yourself any favours.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

an australian batsman never being given out lbw on home soil? Now why arnt i surprised.

Because you are incurably biased and invent excuses for your preferred side being beaten? Did I get it?!

 

[Zinzan]

And you called me childish...

If you can't put your opinion across without getting personal then you don't do yourself any favours.

Twas a simple response to your "crush" accusation.

Don't throw stones from a glass-house

 

[Blaze]

Haha this is a great thread lol.

Both sides of the argument are being backed up stubornly by their countrymen.

I find it surprising that Gilchrist hasn't been given out LBW at home but even away from home he hasn't been given out LBW that often so I don't think you can read anything into it at all.

I will pay more interest though when he gets wrapped on the pads and an appeal goes up next Australian summer and see what happens.

 

[Mr Casson]

Twas a simple response to your "crush" accusation.

Don't throw stones from a glass-house

I gave you an option.

 

[telsor]

OK, you caught us. John Buchanon, on behalf of the Australian team is organising a global conspiracy of umpires, the ICC and all other cricket officials to twist the game to make Australia win.

The umpires have earpieces linked to the Austalian coach who decided which appeals should go which way. The only reason any have been given against Australia is to try and hide the truth.

In reality, we're totally crap and now we've been caught out will be struggling to beat the Bangladesh 'A' team.

 

[Robertinho]

Somebody may be able to confirm this..................

Ohh... I came into this thread expecting it to be an announcement that Gilchrist had been given out LBW

 

[Zinzan]

Ohh... I came into this thread expecting it to be an announcement that Gilchrist had been given out LBW

Maybe next summer , if not maybe the one after that

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Maybe next summer , if not maybe the one after that

No, it will be the next time he bats now. The IUC (International Umpiring Conspiricy) has undoubtedly heard about the content of this post now and realised that Detective Zinzan is on to them, so will abandon project Preserve Gilchrist's Wicket and switch to plan B - Get McGrath's Average Below 20.

 

[Robertinho]

Shh! Don't give it away! *puts the wheels in motion to switch to plan C*

 

[Slow Love™]

Both sides of the argument are being backed up stubornly by their countrymen.

Yeah, it's a shame.

There's a interesting article on this by a guy that I'm a big fan of (at another forum) called z-score, at his blog, which deals mostly with stats. IMO, he's admirably very neutral in general, in the sense that he doesn't let dumb pro or against vested interests intervene in his hypotheses (he actually has a fair bit of material up about Gilchrist lately, much of it praising his amazing ability). To declare my own biases: Gilchrist (tied with Warne) is my favorite player in the game.

Fortune Favours the Strong?

The issue of umpiring bias in Australia’s matches has arisen again. This is an issue that would require a lengthy analysis, but in the absence of that, lets look at just one peculiar fact: Adam Gilchrist has never been given out lbw in a Test in Australia. And he has fallen lbw only twice in ODIs at home.

Two dismissals lbw in a total of 121 dismissals (45 Test, 76 ODI). That is a remarkable departure from the normal figures. In Tests (since 2000), about 16% of left-handers get out lbw, and about 17.4% for right-handers. The slightly lower figure for lefties illustrates that they have better protection from the lbw law when facing right-handed bowling. In ODIs, the incidence of lbws is surprisingly low; only about 8% of dismissals in recent years. (The reason for the disparity in lbws between Tests and ODIs would itself be an interesting topic for investigation.)

Away from home, Gilchrist is much more likely to be lbw, in 21% of his Test dismisals, and 8% of his ODI dismissals. Nothing unusual about those figures, but they do highlight the home game anomaly. Another unusual feature is that most of his lbws occur at low scores. He has never been given out lbw in double figures in a Test innings. When Gilchrist gets going, he is incredibly dominant. Could it be that umpires are influenced by this dominance?

There may be reasons of technique why Gilchrist avoids the lbw fate (hard to say what reason, though). It is unlikely to be a matter of chance. The odds of a left-hander avoiding lbws for 45 consecutive dismissals (as Gilchrist has done in home Tests), by chance alone, are about 2,500 to one against.

Gilchrist has been bowled in 17% of his Test innings, almost exactly the overall average. So it does not appear that bowlers do not target the stumps when he is batting.

I also looked at catches behind. About 27% of Gilchrist’s dismissals by catches go to the keeper. This is a normal figure. Of course, few of Gilchrist’s caught behind dismissals come through umpiring decisions, because he usually walks.

Pakistan coach Bob Woolmer has claimed that umpires favour Australia, mainly due to home ground pressure and a tendency to favour dominant teams. He specifically mentioned lbw appeals against Gilchrist. Perhaps the most dominant players attract even more favour.

http://www.sportstats.com.au/bloghome.html

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As far as I'm concerned, this statistical anomaly could be just that - an anomaly. I don't think it can be denied that it's a weird stat though. z-score's pondering as to where bowlers are concentrating still might have some validity to me, even if it appears that Gilly's still bowled about as much as other players. There's the distinct possiblity that bowlers pitch wider and wider as he flays them down the ground and over the fence (this would explain why he's so much more likely in general to be dismissed for LBW on a low score). However, I wouldn't rule out a few other ideas - it's possible that umpires are influenced by his dismantling of attacks; on another level it's possible that given how despondent bowlers can become bowling to him, perhaps their appeals aren't up to standard - or perhaps they overappeal every time Gilly's rapped on the pads in desperation, and as a result, the umpires err more in his favor. They're human, after all.

It might be possible to have an interesting discussion on it. But it gets really irritating to watch the conversation descend to the usual parochial strawmen (from both sides).