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McGrath got Sehwag out 4 times in that series and Warne got him out 2 times.
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Subcontinental wickets are classified under the general category of 'flat' on here (funny how no one else manages to replicate his run-scoring and SR on the subcontinent though) and his occasional overseas efforts get discounted for various reasons, so I don't expect Sehwag's reputation to change here. Not that I care. 
Flem274*
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Unless the bowler is hooping it around at only 125kph, batsmen will rarely look comfortable against swing. That's why swing gets wickets.
I think it would be better to say a non FTB survives against swing, even including dropped catches. Often batsmen need some good fortune along with a good technique to survive in swinging conditions. Besides, being part of a good cricket team is catching the ball. Not the opposing batsman's problem if the slips/keeper can't catch.
On success in England/SA/NZ: I don't think swing is the main challenge in these countries for subcontinental batsmen. Swing (though mainly the reverse kind) does happen in the subcontinent. I actually think it's seam movement and bounce. Bounce was the main reason Pakistan struggled in New Zealand last summer, and the bounce in South Africa is even more extreme.
EDIT: **** it, I see we've travelled over the page during the time I worte the post.
I think it would be better to say a non FTB survives against swing, even including dropped catches. Often batsmen need some good fortune along with a good technique to survive in swinging conditions. Besides, being part of a good cricket team is catching the ball. Not the opposing batsman's problem if the slips/keeper can't catch.
On success in England/SA/NZ: I don't think swing is the main challenge in these countries for subcontinental batsmen. Swing (though mainly the reverse kind) does happen in the subcontinent. I actually think it's seam movement and bounce. Bounce was the main reason Pakistan struggled in New Zealand last summer, and the bounce in South Africa is even more extreme.
EDIT: **** it, I see we've travelled over the page during the time I worte the post.
Flem274*
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Scoring in the subcontinent is a skill in itself. He's ridiculously good against spinners.Subcontinental wickets are classified under the general category of 'flat' on here (funny how no one else manages to replicate his run-scoring and SR on the subcontinent though) and his occasional overseas efforts get discounted for various reasons, so I don't expect Sehwag's reputation to change here. Not that I care.
Witness the upcoming NZ tour to see an exhibition on how and how not to bat in India.
TumTum
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Yep. That is the problem with Sehwag, he leaves a huge space between bat and pad, so whenever the ball starts swinging or seaming you see him go cheaply almost all the time.
Flem274*
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His technique is definitely geared towards the subcontinent pitches, and that is fair enough considering he plays his home games there along with touring the other three subcontinental sides.
I think he is capable of surviving outside the subcontinent, but there's the thing, that's not how he rolls. He's developed his game for maximum attack in subcontinental conditions.
He'd make a brutal test match number five all around the globe though. Imagine him coming in against the old ball with ****box spinners in conditions completely unfriendly to spin bowling?
ankitj
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There's one more thing that occurs to me in the whole discussion of flat track bullies and murderer of average bowling. We can't possibly just look at the scorecard and say - "Hey, there were no great bowlers in that match and therefore batting was easy". Even the non ATG bowlers while in team are perhaps 50-60% times very good (for ATG bowlers this may go to 75-80%). When they do bad they quickly get dropped.
Take some of the very average Indian bowlers. Sreesanth in SA 2006 was simply awesome. RP Singh in England in 2007 was said to be "unplayable" by one of the English batsmen. Munaf was fantastic in the series India won in WI. And Ishant was very good in a couple of series against Aus at home and away. I am sure same is true for bowlers of other teams. So this hair splitting over who was injured and who was passed the peak is perhaps unfair on the batsmen.
Take some of the very average Indian bowlers. Sreesanth in SA 2006 was simply awesome. RP Singh in England in 2007 was said to be "unplayable" by one of the English batsmen. Munaf was fantastic in the series India won in WI. And Ishant was very good in a couple of series against Aus at home and away. I am sure same is true for bowlers of other teams. So this hair splitting over who was injured and who was passed the peak is perhaps unfair on the batsmen.
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TumTum
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I would agree with you most of the time, but in some cases a pattern emerges such as this which you can't call it a coincidence.
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Yes and no. The hair splitting over who was peaking when and how long it takes to find a groove after injury can get very subjective and skewed very quickly by anyone with an agenda, but if you wind the goggles back a bit and look at things more broadly you can judge who/what was best when.
For example, Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid scoring runs in New Zealand in 2002 on green pitches against Tuffey, Bond and friends was a greater achievement than smashing around an inexperienced attack on complete roads in the series just gone.
ankitj
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Indeed it is. I was hinting more at the criticism of Sehwag's hundreds in SA/Eng/Aus (perhaps it was in the other thread).
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What series were you watching?
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There are a few Aussies in this category as well TBF, Hayden and Hussey come to mind.
G.I.Joe
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You'd rather he got out to Clarke and the part timers? Ridiculous. He did well enough to single handedly prop up India's innings on a Chennai wicket.
TumTum
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He would have got more runs had it been that way.
GotSpin
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Clearly Sehwag atm. But then again, its judging one player whose career is reaching its conclusion while anothers is at its peak. Need both to retire before a definitive answer can be givenSo who's better - Hussey or Sehwag? Let's hear it(It was never Sehwag vs Ponting anyways!)