England players and selection discussion thread

[theegyptian]

Those of our players that travelled to the IPL this time around haven't exactly excelled (to say the least). Nearly all dropped from their sides. Only Ali and Morgan left in their sides. And Morgan only on account of him being captain of his franchise.

Not exactly encouraging for the World t20s also to be held in the UAE this month.

Only consolation is that a few of the England squad decided to skip the IPL this time around so should come in fresh.

Morgan is certainly interesting. He has in the past almost always performed better in international cricket compared to domestic cricket, but his current form is dreadful and he hasn't exactly looked fluent for a while. Might be his last tournament if it goes badly this time around?

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Sam Curran is out of the T20 World Cup. Replaced by Tom.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Hmmm. That's a moderate downgrade.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Malan, Robinson and Leach get their first Central Contracts. Sibley given the boot.

 

[Nintendo]

Malan, Robinson and Leach get their first Central Contracts. Sibley given the boot.

Leach getting a contract hopefully means he's been promoted from specialist 12th man. England are wasting a quality spinner by not playing him.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Crawley a lucky lad to keep his, I'd say.

Since his 267 last summer his form has been at last as bad as Sibley's.

 

[Nintendo]

Crawley a lucky lad to keep his, I'd say.

Since his 267 last summer his form has been at last as bad as Sibley's.

Crawley was good in the blast and ODI's vs Pak, think it's more a Whiteball+youth potential contract at this point.

 

[grecian]

Crawley was good in the blast and ODI's vs Pak, think it's more a Whiteball+youth potential contract at this point.

Yeah, it being a dual contract thing, I could actually see Crawley becoming a one-day player, as clearly England selectors just think Hain is an Aussie at this point, and rightfully choose not to select him on that basis.

 

[Nintendo]

Yeah, it being a dual contract thing, I could actually see Crawley becoming a one-day player, as clearly England selectors just think Hain is an Aussie at this point, and rightfully choose not to select him on that basis.

**** don't remind me about Hain. I'm not even English and his treatment pisses me off. David Malan over him in the odi squad is absurd

 

[andruid]

Leach getting a contract hopefully means he's been promoted from specialist 12th man. England are wasting a quality spinner by not playing him.

Unfortunately it will be on the spinner killing decks of the Ausi Ashes

 

[Pothas]

Not sure he will play all that much in Australia.

 

[wpdavid]

Not sure he will play all that much in Australia.

Leach? I hope you're wrong, especially given how few of our quicker bowlers can be asked to tie an end up for any length of time. But with Silverwood in charge, you're probably right.

 

[theegyptian]

lIONS sQUAD NAMED A DAY OR TWO AGo. https://www.ecb.co.uk/england/men/news/2288448/lions-name-squad-for-tour-of-australia

Lions squad to tour Australia:


Tom Abell (Somerset)
Josh Bohannon (Lancashire)
James Bracey (Gloucestershire)
Brydon Carse (Durham)
Mason Crane (Hampshire)
Matthew Fisher (Yorkshire)
Ben Foakes (Surrey)
Alex Lees (Durham)
Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire)
Liam Norwell (Warwickshire)
Matt Parkinson (Lancashire)
Dom Sibley (Warwickshire)
Jamie Smith (Surrey)
Rob Yates (Warwickshire)

Reading around people seem most surprised by non selection of Livingstone, Haines, and Sam Cook

 

[BoyBrumby]

A little bit surprised to see Bracey there.

Not sure I've ever seen an English test player who looked quite as out of his depth and he didn't have the outrageously stellar season back at Gloucestershire I'd have demanded to get him back in the selectors' minds. Made some runs, yes, but scored then at an average of less than 40.

Bohannon interests me though. I'll hold my hand up and say I haven't seen a lot of him other than the Blast QF v Somerset when he went ok but was rather outshone by Lammonby and Abell, but unlike the vast majority of English batting prospects he does maintain an FC average north of 40.

Bowls a little medium stuff too, apparently, which I've never seen at all, but a part time seam up option is something we've lacked since Trott.

 

[theegyptian]

A while back now but England announced their t20 squad for West Indies. None of the test squad included.

England T20I squad: Eoin Morgan (capt), Moeen Ali, Tom Banton, Sam Billings, Liam Dawson, George Garton, Chris Jordan, Liam Livingstone, Saqib Mahmood, Tymal Mills, David Payne, Adil Rashid, Jason Roy, Phil Salt, Reece Topley, James Vince

George Garton, David Payne, Phil Salt named in England T20I squad for West Indies

Uncapped trio set to win opportunities in absence of players involved on Ashes tour

www.espncricinfo.com

A few of the squad have been playing in Big Bash. Quite important with the World t20s happening in AUs later this year.

Mills has done pretty well. Important for him given it hasn't always gone well for him in franchise cricket. Probably puts him in the equation for the final 15 for the World t20, possibly dependent on whether Archer (and Wood) around. Billings had done decently too. Likely be there or thereabouts.
Topley, Mahmood, Garton, Jordan, TCurran didn't do anything really to further their causes.

Mahmood generally decent with new ball, but rarely got his death bowling right. Usually goes yorkers at the death but more often they come out as half volleys. If he could improve his death bowling he would be an option, but at present too expensive imo. Hope to see him get more time in ODI cricket this year where he can bowl mainly in the first half of the innings.

 

[Spark]

Hazlewood has shown that there's still a role for quality pace bowlers in T20 cricket who basically can't bowl at the death tbf

 

[BoyBrumby]

Hazlewood has shown that there's still a role for quality pace bowlers in T20 cricket who basically can't bowl at the death tbf

He's young and could well improve, but as of now Mahmood isn't fit to carry Hazlewood's jockstrap in any format.

 

[kevinw]

Reece Topley is only 27yo!

Given the Test players are missing, it's a reasonable enough side. No real curve ball selections, though Payne's a county stalwart. The core England guys only have a few years left really, unless they're aiming to become the CSK of international cricket (but hey, they win stuff), so it would be good to see the younger guys stake a claim. Banton and Salt at the top of the order will be interesting. Curious to see how Garton goes. I'm not Sam Curran's biggest fan, so if we're looking for a LMF all-rounder, he might be a better option (though David Willey is harshly treated once more).

 

[Nintendo]

Reece Topley is only 27yo!

Given the Test players are missing, it's a reasonable enough side. No real curve ball selections, though Payne's a county stalwart. The core England guys only have a few years left really, unless they're aiming to become the CSK of international cricket (but hey, they win stuff), so it would be good to see the younger guys stake a claim. Banton and Salt at the top of the order will be interesting. Curious to see how Garton goes. I'm not Sam Curran's biggest fan, so if we're looking for a LMF all-rounder, he might be a better option (though David Willey is harshly treated once more).

If you think garton is even a 5th of the Whiteball player Curran is then you need to get your prescription checked out my handsome friend

 

[artvandalay]

Didn't know which thread this belonged in so figured this would do. Cook and Ali apparently had quite a go at each other on air.

Watch: Alastair Cook, Moeen Ali's On-Air Debate About Captaincy Style Turns Awkward | Cricket News

The discussion, which started like a banter with both Moeen Ali and Alastair Cook sharing a laugh, got a bit serious towards the end when the former stood firm on his stance about the different leadership styles of Root and Cook.

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