Check Murali's action in a Test - Warne

[lionheart]

Gee, thanks Professor Warne. I knew there was something we all missed......oh wait

“While a full run-up and standard pitch were used, data were collected in a laboratory environment. It is our considered opinion that this is the only way to record accurate and reliable 3D data of elbow movement, particularly for spin bowling.”
- Professor Bruce Elliott of The School of Human Movement and Exercise Science, University of Western Australia, Perth

 

[JASON]

Tbh, I think it a bit lame - though, in schoolboy guise, I can say that Warne started it, lol!

I doubt if Warne meant anything malicious by saying it, but that is not to say that he did not intend on some mischief - his intelligence seems to be solely restricted to the cricketing field. As for Murali, I wish he had STFU - but I can understand his response, nonetheless. Also, I doubt he will get to 1000.

No I think Murali's response is fair...given he has been repeatedly targeted by Warne with comments like this in the past and he has tried to ignore it...but this one is a bit annoying even for the most docile creatures like Murali...I think its appropriate...Its now upto Warne to clear the Air and make Truce...

Although I agree with Warne's suggestions , the timing was a bit too awkward and from Murali's position very annoying....

 

[pup11]

No I think Murali's response is fair...given he has been repeatedly targeted by Warne with comments like this in the past and he has tried to ignore it...but this one is a bit annoying even for the most docile creatures like Murali...I think its appropriate...Its now upto Warne to clear the Air and make Truce...

Although I agree with Warne's suggestions , the timing was a bit too awkward and from Murali's position very annoying....

Well even if Murali didn't like Warne' comments he should have just played it cool, reacting so furiously to an interview isn't a right thing to do, but as i said before this was the worst time possible for Warne to come up with such a statement.
Would be interesting to see what has Warney got up his sleeve now!

 

[Sanz]

Whilst this is ancient history and there's no point in debating it again, Murali underwent remedial action and subsequently changed.

In relation to Hadlee/Kapil, I'll excuse you for the fact that youre from the sub-continent BUT trans-Tasman rivalry is akin to Pak/India albeit on a lot smaller scale. The fact that virtually no-one cared that a Kiwi broke an Aussie hero's record just goes to show how completely irrelevant it is to all bar the most biased and Mr Warne

First of all Aus-Nz rivalry is like India-Nepal rivalry. Secondly Lillee's record was broken by Ian Botham.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I really doubt it. My guess would be that they'd react "he knows he's being tested so he's obviously going to bowl legally" or some such tomfoolery. It's exactly the same as it would be in a lab.

No, I'm happy, personally, with the lab testing, and that Murali was bowling exactly then as he would in a game.

In any case - how easy would it be to test a player in-game? That's before we even get to the fact that, really, it's completely unfair. A player should be able to concentrate on the game at hand to the maximum extent, not have to be worrying about the fact that 2 deliveries might be 0.663degrees over the limit - which, I gurantee you, some naysayers would use to claim he was a chucker and this proves all for evermore etc. etc.

In a perfect world he'd be tested without him knowing thus negating those reactions...but I don't think this is possible at the moment.

Warne's idea is a very good one, but whether it's viable is another thing completely.

 

[burr]

I like Greg Baum's line the best: Warne was tactless, as he always has been.

I think people are being too kind to Warne. I think he knew exactly what he was doing and although he's too stupid to be malicious he wants to remind everyone that whether Murali gets the record or not it won't take away from his greatness because there are "doubts" over Murali’s action, he's taken lots of wickets against minnows blah blah blah. Warne embarrasses me. Anyone can see that Murali is a decent, good man (everything Warne is not) and yet whenever he comes to this country he has to put up with all this crap. It was so unnecessary. Warne should be ashamed, particularly as he knew they'd be presenting this cup together and Murali would take offence to his suggestion.

 

[shortpitched713]

Murali ought to toughen up for mine and take more wickets. Hes been abysmal in Australia thus far, and he may only have one chance left to set right his record.

 

[andyc]

Fair call from Murali, that's what it seemed like to me when I first read the article tbh.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Boooo.

Just marry each other, then!

 

[The_Bunny]

Boooo.

Just marry each other, then!

I doubt I would ever stop laughing if that happened tbh

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Muttiah Muralitharan has his hand set in a cast for the new Warne-Muralitharan Trophy, which has been unveiled in Hobart © Getty Images

Shane Warne and Muttiah Muralitharan called their war of words in the media a "miscommunication" as they unveiled the new trophy that bears their names. Tensions between the pair had risen after Muralitharan called Warne a "miserable man" following Warne's comment that Muralitharan should have his bowling action analysed during a Test.

But they came together in Hobart to launch the Warne-Muralitharan Trophy, which will be the prize in Australia-Sri Lanka Test series beginning with the current tour. "There is no issue at all," Muralitharan told AAP

"I thought he said something about my bowling action and then I said he was a miserable man. We just talked to each other and patched it up. It was a miscommunication more than anything else."

Warne said he and Muralitharan were good friends. "I spoke to Murali about it this morning so I'm pretty happy actually, I'm not that miserable," Warne said. "I've got absolutely no issue with Murali and his action or anything like that.

"All I've said in my column that I wrote was that commonsense should prevail. If umpires or anybody has any issue with actions - I'm not saying Murali's but anyone's in world cricket - then they should be tested in match conditions."

In his angry response to Warne's column Muralitharan had said that perhaps Warne was upset he was about to lose his record of 708 Test wickets to Muralitharan. "I've enjoyed having [the record]," Warne said. "I'm happy to pass it on to Murali. I think he'll take a thousand."

You know, I think they'd better.

 

[JBH001]

It would seem to be the decent thing to do.

 

[Richard]

I like Greg Baum's line the best: Warne was tactless, as he always has been.

I think people are being too kind to Warne. I think he knew exactly what he was doing and although he's too stupid to be malicious he wants to remind everyone that whether Murali gets the record or not it won't take away from his greatness because there are "doubts" over Murali’s action, he's taken lots of wickets against minnows blah blah blah. Warne embarrasses me. Anyone can see that Murali is a decent, good man (everything Warne is not) and yet whenever he comes to this country he has to put up with all this crap. It was so unnecessary. Warne should be ashamed, particularly as he knew they'd be presenting this cup together and Murali would take offence to his suggestion.

Haha, bloody hell, never seen Baum so annoyed.

 

[Richard]

In a perfect world he'd be tested without him knowing thus negating those reactions...but I don't think this is possible at the moment.

Warne's idea is a very good one, but whether it's viable is another thing completely.

AFAIK, it's completely impossible. The only way to do it is to have all sorts of wires and tracing-spots at all sorts of joints.

There's virtually no way you could get an accurate measurement without the player knowing the measurement was being taken.

 

[shortpitched713]

AFAIK, it's completely impossible. The only way to do it is to have all sorts of wires and tracing-spots at all sorts of joints.

There's virtually no way you could get an accurate measurement without the player knowing the measurement was being taken.

Use hawkeye?

 

[Anil]

Secondly Lillee's record was broken by Ian Botham.

was about to point this out, then decided there is really no point...

 

[Richard]

Use hawkeye?

Can't think of a way it could be adapted for analysis of different body-parts - think it can only track one "point" at a time.

 

[Son Of Coco]

AFAIK, it's completely impossible. The only way to do it is to have all sorts of wires and tracing-spots at all sorts of joints.

There's virtually no way you could get an accurate measurement without the player knowing the measurement was being taken.

Exactly what I was saying...maybe one day this won't be the case.

Just out of interest...how did they come to the conclusion that everyone was above the limit in the Champions Trophy apart from Sarwan again? I've asked this before but I forgot the answer...if the above holds wouldn't it be impossible without getting all of them into the clinic?

 

[BoyBrumby]

Exactly what I was saying...maybe one day this won't be the case.

Just out of interest...how did they come to the conclusion that everyone was above the limit in the Champions Trophy apart from Sarwan again? I've asked this before but I forgot the answer...if the above holds wouldn't it be impossible without getting all of them into the clinic?

Fair point.

I've always thought the argument that umpires get 92% of decisions right (or whatever the figure is) so technology isn't needed is self-defeating too. How is that figure arrived at, exactly? Via technology....

 

[Lostman]

Exactly what I was saying...maybe one day this won't be the case.

Just out of interest...how did they come to the conclusion that everyone was above the limit in the Champions Trophy apart from Sarwan again? I've asked this before but I forgot the answer...if the above holds wouldn't it be impossible without getting all of them into the clinic?

I think those numbers had a really big standard of deviation.