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Howe_zat

Audio File
England should probably play Robson in an ODI
Would probably be the lowest depth ever sunk for a selection. ODIs are already victims of resting players, looking at Test prospects and a bunch of other issues that stop the best XI playing the best XI in what are supposed to be internationals. A completely cynical pick like that done entirely for non-cricketing reasons would just about kill off the format for me.
 

Cabinet96

Global Moderator
I wonder whether he would actually decline selection for an ODI if he thought that it was just a way of blocking him from playing for Australia while still being quite far away from the English test side.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Would probably be the lowest depth ever sunk for a selection. ODIs are already victims of resting players, looking at Test prospects and a bunch of other issues that stop the best XI playing the best XI in what are supposed to be internationals. A completely cynical pick like that done entirely for non-cricketing reasons would just about kill off the format for me.
T20 then. International T20 is a joke anyway.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Robson's actually a shining example of how where you're born and raised essentially counts for **** all when it comes to international eligibility anyway. He's played his entire First Class career in England and it can't be a coincidence that he has the ability to bat for long periods of time, an art form lost on this generation of Australian batsmen.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
Would probably be the lowest depth ever sunk for a selection. ODIs are already victims of resting players, looking at Test prospects and a bunch of other issues that stop the best XI playing the best XI in what are supposed to be internationals. A completely cynical pick like that done entirely for non-cricketing reasons would just about kill off the format for me.
Picking a guy you want as a future test opener, is non-cricketing reasons? Thats news to me.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
“None of my family have Australian passports, apart from me,” Pattinson, 23, said.

“Not even Darren. My parents came out to Australia 25 or 30 years ago and they’ve still got strong English accents.
How come He can now play for the Melbourne Whatsits as a domestic then?

Some kind of residency rule thang, I'm guessing.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
How come He can now play for the Melbourne Whatsits as a domestic then?

Some kind of residency rule thang, I'm guessing.
Yeah he's a permanent Australian resident so he can play cricket here as a local as long as he's not playing anywhere else as a local.
 

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
Picking Robson for an ODI or T20 is joke. Put him in the lions or get one of the selectors to talk to him and tell him where he is. If I was Carberry or someone and Robson played a T20 having not played a t20 or 40 over game all season I'd have a massive rant and quit and he'd clearly be right and have a lot of support. It would be a disgusting thing to do and make a mockery of the selection process. Can't see there being any chance England do it anyway.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
It's a bit of a swizz, but if they rate Robson as a prospect for test honours it's expedient to tattoo a St George's Cross onto him by any means necessary.

The footy side did something similar with Hargreaves back in the day to prevent Johnny Canuck, the Leekists or Jerry pirating him away.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Picking Robson for an ODI or T20 is joke. Put him in the lions or get one of the selectors to talk to him and tell him where he is. If I was Carberry or someone and Robson played a T20 having not played a t20 or 40 over game all season I'd have a massive rant and quit and he'd clearly be right and have a lot of support. It would be a disgusting thing to do and make a mockery of the selection process. Can't see there being any chance England do it anyway.
Picking him for the Lions doesn't commit him to England for the next 4 years though.

It would be a bit of a cynical selection given that he doesn't play much short form cricket for Middlesex but if he's happy to commit to England then pick him ASAP and avoid the possibility of losing him.
 

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
Picking him for the Lions doesn't commit him to England for the next 4 years though.

It would be a bit of a cynical selection given that he doesn't play much short form cricket for Middlesex but if he's happy to commit to England then pick him ASAP and avoid the possibility of losing him.
I realise that but I just think it would be completely unfair to every other english qualified cricketer to select someone who clearly doesn't deserve his place in the team. If he decides to play for Aus well ok whatever, it's hardly guaranteed that he is going to be a good international cricketer.

Obviously with this rule the ECB won't want an influx of aussies coming over here playing four or five years improving and leaving back to australia to play for them. They don't want something like Jacques Rudolph or faf du plessis where he committed to english cricket, played a few seasons then went back to play for the SA national team.But its upto the ECB to change the rule if this kind of things starts to happen rather than giving any random aussie/englishmen who gets anywhere close to international level a cap to commit him to english cricket.

I'm not one of those guys who think the team should be completely english born and bred. I think you should select the best available to you. I just don't think Robson is anywhere near good enough to be playing ODI or T20 cricket for England.
 
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Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Agreed but in this case you're using the ODI or T20 side as a means to an end. Much like England did with Trott in 2007.
I really don't think that's why Trott was picked in 2007. He was absolutely killing it in domestic limited overs cricket and actually got dropped from the Warwickshire First Class lineup at one point that season.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
I really don't think that's why Trott was picked in 2007. He was absolutely killing it in domestic limited overs cricket and actually got dropped from the Warwickshire First Class lineup at one point that season.
True, point being that Trott being picked for a couple of T20s vs the West Indies secured his eligibility until 2011, there was no prospect of him being enticed back to South Africa in the meantime.
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
If it's been done before that's only another reason to never do it again, it's going to be dire either way.
 

Cabinet96

Global Moderator
I really don't think that's why Trott was picked in 2007. He was absolutely killing it in domestic limited overs cricket and actually got dropped from the Warwickshire First Class lineup at one point that season.
I'll never forget the time I heard a pundit suggest that England needed more T20 specialists such as Jonathan Trott.
 

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