Brett Lee in test team

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Swinging the ball is incredibly simple.
If I can do it Nathan Bracken and Charl Willoughby certainly can.

Its very easy to swing a 2-piece ball at 30 ks in your back garden.

 

[Richard]

On a point of order, you named 5 which isn't quadrupling

Yeah... was excluding the New Zealand because it's only a possibly.

 

[Richard]

*Waits for Camel56 to say "I'm with you on this one Jonesy".*

Fortunately he's been banned for 7 days again so we're spared that until it runs out again.
Sadly in "Ray Hadley" and "Belford" we seem to have two more cut from the same cloth.

 

[marc71178]

ODI form has plenty of influence when selectors are picking test sides.

Which explains how he's not played Tests despite doing well in ODIs...

 

[marc71178]

i doubt simon Jones or Anderson would make the England side infront of Lee.

Anderson is nowhere near the team, and Jones would get in ahead of Lee.

 

[Richard]

Richard,

when you start favourably comparing others such as Inness, Clark (s), etc to Lee, it is obvious that you havent seen much Australian cricket this summer.

And one poor summer makes Inness a bad bowler, does it?
He's been about the most hard-done-by guy ever in the last 4 years.

 

[Richard]

So you're saying that Lee would not get into these sides.


Bwuhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

If you could actually come-up with some reasons why not you might do yourself some more favours.

 

[Richard]

certainly explains why his bowling average is inredibly higher than lee's doesnt it? AFAIC if bracken had bowled from both ends for ever ball of that series against india, he still wouldnt have got more wickets. how in the hell he gets wickets at the domestic level i'll never know.

That'd be because he can actually swing the ball.
Bracken might well be twice as accurate as Lee and if you could combine Lee's swing with Bracken's accuracy you'd have some bowler.
And I'd say Bracken can learn swing (or rather how to swing it at Test-level) easier than Lee can learn accuracy.

 

[Richard]

I wasn't referring to his past, i was merely saying that people keep harping on about how lee sucks in tests, and if he was going to succeed against anyone, it will prob be england knowing our luck.

Which has changed in the last 10 months.

 

[Richard]

This post is a zillions times more biased and a gazillion times more misguided than most you'll read on this forum.

No, I don't do bias, especially towards New Zealand and Sri Lanka. Some people have accused me, wrongly, of bias towards England and South Africa, but the only accusations of NZ and SL previously have been against.

 

[Richard]

C'mon don't take things too seriously, this is a cricket forum, not a funeral. Just being tongue and cheek

Being TIC to tec doesn't often work.

 

[Richard]

All I will say about Lee is that in the last year I've seen him bowl, I've seen soem great signs in his bowling that he will challenge for a top-5 spot in the future. And this is coming from a guy who's found himself shaking his head continuously at spells I've seen from him against England (home and away) and others.

I've seen more consistent speed in his bowling, a trajectory which seems more likely to lead to edges behind the wicket (much less of the low-trajectory slinging we saw from him in his first and subsequent Tests - have a look at the footage if you have it and see how much he's changed) and greater accuracy back of a length (of the length Gillespie bowls). As I said, he's displaying the signs so it's now up to him to put it all together.

But that doesn't explain how he's been hammered in several ODIs just the way he had before.

 

[Richard]

oh get of it, its no secret that i dont rate lee either but to say that people like zoysa, martin etc are better bowlers than lee is simply insane. let alone saying that maharood whos never had a half decent series in his entire life is as good as lee. AFAIC, lee would easily make the NZ and SL side but that only speaks volumes of how poor pace bowling is today. and vaas is 1 million times better than lee with his oh so brilliant test bowling average of 30 is just as stupid. hes better yes, but if vaas were aussie he wouldnt even come close to making the aussie side.

No, he wouldn't - but equally if he were to bowl more often like he bowls on a good day he'd smote the lot of them. And as for Lee...
When has Lee produced a 13-wicket Test-match, then? (The way Martin has against SA) No, Martin hasn't done anything apart from that, but he's no more mediocre than Lee and if Lee was bowling in an attack as p*ss-poor as NZ's I'm pretty sure he'd be doing as poorly. Same applies to Zoysa and Sri Lanka.
As for Maharoof, he's bowled an occasional decent spell - which is about what Lee has done. I don't really think he'll amount to anything, but you never know - and hell, you never know with Lee either.

 

[Richard]

As if Brett Lee wouldn't make the English or the SA side. Do you honestly think Hoggard and Nel are both better?

Massively so - especially in Nel's case.

 

[Richard]

I can't imagine Lee would be behind Andre Nel or Dale Steyn for a place in the South African side.

Hmm, Steyn is no better than Lee... but of course Terbrugge, Willougbhy, Langeveldt, Ngam, Hall, Hayward, Dawson, Klusener and Telemachus, all of whom should have been selected ahead of Steyn, are a different matter.

 

[Richard]

I agree.

Lee's poor Test record goes back 5 years, not 5 games.

To sum-up better: Lee's poor Test record goes back 26 games, not 9 (as in Harmison's).

 

[Richard]

ODI form has plenty of influence when selectors are picking test sides.

Yet we've seen enough times that ODIs mean sod-all when it comes to Tests.

 

[Richard]

Only because you've got an embarrassment of riches at the moment. He would still be one of the first picked if he was English

There are probably 6 or 7 better English bowlers, and maybe the same number of Australians.

 

[marc71178]

To sum-up better: Lee's poor Test record goes back 26 games, not 9 (as in Harmison's).

Harmison's is 5.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Massively so - especially in Nel's case.

I have my doubts about any side in the world (save Oz) that would hesitate in picking Brett Lee.

If a bowler can get into the Australian lineup, they can get in any lineup.

Langeveldt (sorry Rich), Klusener, Jones and Anderson better than Lee?

You're a funny guy, though you don't know it.