Brett Lee in test team

[marc71178]

If lehmann gets dropped for the tests as well as the ODIs then i would not be surprised if Australia play 5 bowlers and bat Gilchirst at 6. I don't think it would be a big risk as 4 of the five bowlers have got 50s aganist New Zealand.

It would be a tail starting at 7.

 

[social]

Is that 1 Test or 1 Series in SA?

1 match - take out game where he took 12 for 205 and in remainder of series he took 14 @ 32.7

 

[Fiery]

SA.
England.

That's 2.

As if Brett Lee wouldn't make the English or the SA side. Do you honestly think Hoggard and Nel are both better?

 

[twctopcat]

As if Brett Lee wouldn't make the English side. Do you honestly think Hoggard is better?

Just ask Graeme Smith, i think he would prefer short and wide lee over hoggy anyday.

 

[Somerset]

Lee would make both the English and South African sides in my opinion. Pollock and Ntini are certainties, plus a spinner (Boje/Adams) but I can't imagine Lee would be behind Andre Nel or Dale Steyn for a place in the South African side. Harmison, Giles and Flintoff are also certainties for England but I'd rate Lee above anyone else, Hoggard, Jones, Anderson, etc.

 

[Scallywag]

If Lee does play in the ashes and gets lots of wickets then that would mean the English bats are nowhere as good as you need to be to play test cricket.

And if Lee is as bad as he's made out to be then England should have no problem carting him for 6-7 an over in the ODI's.

 

[marc71178]

As if Brett Lee wouldn't make the English or the SA side. Do you honestly think Hoggard and Nel are both better?

Lee wouldn't be competing for Hoggard's spot.

 

[marc71178]

And if Lee is as bad as he's made out to be then England should have no problem carting him for 6-7 an over in the ODI's.

Different format - we're talking about Tests here.

 

[Fiery]

Lee wouldn't be competing for Hoggard's spot.

He would be competing with Harmison then. No contest there at the moment

 

[marc71178]

I agree.

Lee's poor Test record goes back 5 years, not 5 games.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Why does Brett Lee appear to concentrate so much on maiming the batsmen instead of trying to find a better way to avoid having to carry the oranges.

*Waits for Camel56 to say "I'm with you on this one Jonesy".*

 

[Fiery]

I agree.

Lee's poor Test record goes back 5 years, not 5 games.

Poor little Steven got homesick and missed his Mummy. I don't know why I'm even arguing with you on this one. I'm not a fan of either of them but would select Lee over Harmison on current form.

 

[marc71178]

No games in 12 months or so?

How is that current form?

 

[Fiery]

No games in 12 months or so?

How is that current form?

ODI form has plenty of influence when selectors are picking test sides.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

He still hasn't played a Test for 14 months.

 

[Fiery]

He still hasn't played a Test for 14 months.

Only because you've got an embarrassment of riches at the moment. He would still be one of the first picked if he was English

 

[chaminda_00]

It would be a tail starting at 7.

You have to remmeber the side they are playing in the next test (new zealand). Brett lee (23), Warne (33), and Gillespie (43) all average over 20 aganist NZ. If u average over 20 and have scored 50s aganist a team u are at least a lower batsmen, not a tailender. Going in with 6 top order batsmen aganist this Kiwi bowling attack in Test cricket isn't a big risk when your lower order has scored runs aganist that team. Aganist the English i doubt they would play 5 bowlers, as the england bowling attack is better, but by playing five bowlers they can see who is better head to head Kaspa or Lee and then pick the better performing bowler in the Ashes.

SA.
England.

That's 2.

i doubt simon Jones or Anderson would make the England side infront of Lee. Also i can't see Nel or Stern making the South African team in front of Lee either. So the number is still 0.

 

[Richard]

No idea what FCOL means (nothing personal, but I hate these message board/text message type abbreviations), but I realise Tuffey and Oram have very good records in New Zealand. The entire Kiwi bowling corps looked pretty ordinary in England though.

They've looked very ordinary on flat wickets and deadly on green ones - whatever country in (ain't like either looked much more than rubbish in the NZ home series against SA - that's New Zealand and South Africa in case you didn't understand the abbreviations).
FCOL stands for "for" "crying" "out" "loud".

 

[Richard]

You need a bit more than accuracy in test cricket and if the criteria for test selection is performances with the white ball then Lee compares well with anyone (though I note Bracken has a superb ODI record).

Obviously he'd be incredibly good if he swung the ball and retained his accuracy. Not that simple though is it.

Swinging the ball is incredibly simple.
If I can do it Nathan Bracken and Charl Willoughby certainly can.

 

[Richard]

From the last vb series i saw a massive difference to the WC, he now seems to bowl a lot closer to the stumps like mcgrath and generally seemed a tighter, more consistent bowler, unfortunately.

He's always bowled a delivery in which he gets incredibly close to the stumps.
He just bowls with about equal regularity one in which he goes wide.