Richard
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Depends.Scallywag said:And a bloody good bowler too!
If you're talking about international cricket, no, he's not.
Depends.Scallywag said:And a bloody good bowler too!
Really? He's "been a different bowler to his last Test-series" plenty of times before... though I'll admit I've never seen you write it.Top_Cat said:And I believe he is. We shall see.
You guys (and certain other Lee supporters) have been hoping for that for God-knows-how-long.Slow Love™ said:I have to admit that when I read "tempting fate" comments like Neil's and TEC's, I half hope that somebody gets injured (not seriously) for the Ashes, Lee plays, and blows the Pom top order away, just to watch the hair-pulling and anguish.
Other than England Richard, I'm not sure about that. I think that New Zealand, in the absence of Shane Bond, are crying out for someone like Lee.Richard said:South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, England, New Zealand... though only maybe.
Sorry, I quadroupled what you asked for.
I'd be interested to find out how many NZ posters would pick Tuffey, Martin or Oram ahead of Lee.Richard said:Tuffey, Martin and Oram are all no more abysmal than him on a flat pitch.
On a green seamer, they're all fifty times the bowler he is.
If Bond were in the side Lee'd not get close to a look-in, because Bond is even more deadly still on a green seamer.
On flat pitches, so far, he's been mostly very poor but he has had his moment (playing a huge part in the win in West Indies).
If any of them have watched the three bowl on green pitches I'd certainly back them to prefer them if the pitch was green.garage flower said:I'd be interested to find out how many NZ posters would pick Tuffey, Martin or Oram ahead of Lee.
You need a bit more than accuracy in test cricket and if the criteria for test selection is performances with the white ball then Lee compares well with anyone (though I note Bracken has a superb ODI record).Richard said:Nope, but he's infinately more accurate.
And he undoubtedly swings the ball sometimes (notably when it's white) and he's kind of an Australian Willoughby - could be incredibly good if he swung the ball... and it's kinda inexplicable that he doesn't.
No idea what FCOL means (nothing personal, but I hate these message board/text message type abbreviations), but I realise Tuffey and Oram have very good records in New Zealand. The entire Kiwi bowling corps looked pretty ordinary in England though.Richard said:If any of them have watched the three bowl on green pitches I'd certainly back them to prefer them if the pitch was green.
Look at Tuffey and Oram's records on green pitches, FCOL.
I wasn't referring to his past, i was merely saying that people keep harping on about how lee sucks in tests, and if he was going to succeed against anyone, it will prob be england knowing our luck.Richard said:Of course, Lee's saved his best for England in taking 22 wickets at 46.90 so far in his 8-Test career, hasn't he?
In fact England have dealt with him better than anyone - though Pakistan are damn close.
hint: its one of the 2 teams in the coming ashes series.social said:150 ks plus & with outswing - anyone else in the world bowl that?
Please name one other team where Brett Lee would not play.
because that makes a difference?zinzan12 said:I'd like to see TEC face Lee and then bowl to Hayden
oh get of it, its no secret that i dont rate lee either but to say that people like zoysa, martin etc are better bowlers than lee is simply insane. let alone saying that maharood whos never had a half decent series in his entire life is as good as lee. AFAIC, lee would easily make the NZ and SL side but that only speaks volumes of how poor pace bowling is today. and vaas is 1 million times better than lee with his oh so brilliant test bowling average of 30 is just as stupid. hes better yes, but if vaas were aussie he wouldnt even come close to making the aussie side.Richard said:Tuffey, Martin and Oram are all no more abysmal than him on a flat pitch.
On a green seamer, they're all fifty times the bowler he is.
If Bond were in the side Lee'd not get close to a look-in, because Bond is even more deadly still on a green seamer.
On flat pitches, so far, he's been mostly very poor but he has had his moment (playing a huge part in the win in West Indies).
Sri Lanka... Vaas is a million times better, in Sri Lanka just about any half-decent spinner is better than Lee anywhere, Zoysa is far better, and there are all sorts of mediocre seamers like Maharoof, Malinga, a couple of Fernandos, and many others, who're about as poor as Lee. I don't think we need mention Murali.
certainly explains why his bowling average is inredibly higher than lee's doesnt it? AFAIC if bracken had bowled from both ends for ever ball of that series against india, he still wouldnt have got more wickets. how in the hell he gets wickets at the domestic level i'll never know.Richard said:Nope, but he's infinately more accurate.
And he undoubtedly swings the ball sometimes (notably when it's white) and he's kind of an Australian Willoughby - could be incredibly good if he swung the ball... and it's kinda inexplicable that he doesn't.
So you're saying that Lee would not get into these sides.Richard said:Nope - not many others manage to bowl with such extraordinary waywardness either.
South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, England, New Zealand... though only maybe.
Sorry, I quadroupled what you asked for.
Richard,Richard said:You guys (and certain other Lee supporters) have been hoping for that for God-knows-how-long.
I've lost count of the number of "I'll enjoy see you eat-humble-pie" comments I've got down the last 4 years... I just love thinking of them with every Test that makes me look more and more right, personally.
I'd not go so far as to say Lee playing would give us a chance, but sure as hell it'd give us a chance that's improved slightly on if the attack contained four of Gillespie, Kasprowicz, Warne, McGrath, Inness, Clark (S), Bracken... and a few others.
This post is a zillions times more biased and a gazillion times more misguided than most you'll read on this forum.Richard said:Tuffey, Martin and Oram are all no more abysmal than him on a flat pitch.
On a green seamer, they're all fifty times the bowler he is.
If Bond were in the side Lee'd not get close to a look-in, because Bond is even more deadly still on a green seamer.
On flat pitches, so far, he's been mostly very poor but he has had his moment (playing a huge part in the win in West Indies).
With regards Pakistan, anyone who thinks Lee is half the bowler Shoaib, Shabbir, Saqlain and Danish are, well... they're delusional.
South Africa: Pollock and Nel are impossibly better, Ntini is better if not by a million miles, and if anyone thinks Lee is better than Terbrugge, Hayward, Ngam, Willoughby, Langeveldt, Klusener and several others, then well...
Sri Lanka... Vaas is a million times better, in Sri Lanka just about any half-decent spinner is better than Lee anywhere, Zoysa is far better, and there are all sorts of mediocre seamers like Maharoof, Malinga, a couple of Fernandos, and many others, who're about as poor as Lee. I don't think we need mention Murali.
So Lee would not be picked before:tooextracool said:hint: its one of the 2 teams in the coming ashes series.
Fair enough you don't agree with the point but why do you make yourself look stupid by exaggerating with that bilge??social said:So Lee would not be picked before:
a. Harmison - fortunately for Aus, England are likely to drop him as he is their only chance of success;
b. Hoggard - mediocre medium pacer that Aus bats are lining up to milk AGAIN;
c. Jones - not as accurate as Lee, doesnt swing the ball, and 10ks slower;
d. etc
TEC, you're bias against Lee continually sees you making ridiculous statements such as this - it's becoming embarassing, particularly as you obviously have not seen him bowls for what, 12 months.