Bradmanesque

[Adders]

Duh.....its because you look like yoda.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Duh.....its because you look like yoda.

most newborns do tbh

 

[Shri]

Among my mentors were Wally Grout, Ken Mackay and Wesley Hall and am good friends with Jeff Thompson who I also played with and against.

https://books.google.co.in/books?id...#v=onepage&q=john maclean don bradman&f=false

Confirmed. You were right, Burgey.

 

[Spark]

Born in 1946. Almost impossible to clearly remember the Don batting imo. He would have been 3 when he retired.

Only if you assume he was talking about him batting in Tests tbf. There's a well-known anecdote from Jeff Thomson about Bradman going in the nets at age 70 or something and absolutely flogging everyone who bowled at him, having not batted in years: http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/330770.html

I went back in and said, "Why isn't this bastard playing with us tomorrow?" That's how good I thought he was.

One of my favourite quotes in cricket tbh.

 

[Adders]

Im sure i recall JBMAC saying he saw the Don at in a test match at the GABBA.

 

[GotSpin]

Only if you assume he was talking about him batting in Tests tbf. There's a well-known anecdote from Jeff Thomson about Bradman going in the nets at age 70 or something and absolutely flogging everyone who bowled at him, having not batted in years: 'I didn't bowl your little outswingers' | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo



One of my favourite quotes in cricket tbh.

Yeah I was just about to post this as well

 

[morgieb]

From this article: Celebrating 10 Years of Cricket Web?s Forum | Cricket Web

The father of the forum JB is not quite as old as Methusalah, but he was present at the ‘Gabba to witness Australia being humbled in the first Test of the 1936/37 Ashes series. Fortunately for him he was nobbut a babe in arms so has no recollection of the match in general, or his country’s 58 all out in their second innings in particular. Thus JB’s earliest Ashes memory is the crushing defeat meted out to Walter Hammond’s team in the equivalent fixture ten years later – rather him than me! I love reading JB’s posts about those he has seen, and played against – it is a great shame we don’t hear from him more often with this sort of thread.

So, he can't really be John Maclean.

 

[Shri]

Im sure i recall JBMAC saying he saw the Don at in a test match at the GABBA.

Considering this post:

The first time I saw him play was in 1946 First Test against the poms just after the war at The Gabba . I was 10 then. I had seen him play Sheffield Shield games that year as well. The last time I saw him play was in 1954 at The Exhibition Ground in Brisbane (6 years after he officially retired) In the Lindsay Hassett Testimonial match and I believe the 81 he scored in the 2nd innings showed he had not lost much in those 6 years.My late Dad never missed a test or shield game if possible from the Bodyline series on and naturally I always went with him.


Footnote: Testimonial matches were played to grant some decent income to players deemed to have served their country well. No big wages for them then and all cricketers had full time jobs.

He can't be Maclean. Damn, still looking then.

 

[GotSpin]

Spill the beans!

 

[karan316]

Ihave followed these posts with some amusement, some disgust, some dissalusionment but mostly some contempt.

There is a massive difference between how me and jonbrooks are posting and how the CW "agree with our views or get trolled" army responds.

Our point is clear, we cannot compare people from different eras and we are explaining our reasons for that. We are not posting stuff like "XYZ player sucks or X is better than Y". The discussion might have gone to a different direction at times but that is because people are simply going after us for having different views.

I don’t think we have posted anything that can “disgust” someone despite of being provoked by other regular posters and now you.

Obviously both of you have NOT ever played serious cricket as you have absolutely NO idea.

There are a lot of journalists who never play cricket at the highest level, yet their views are respected by cricketers and followers.

You are saying both of us haven't played serious cricket, firstly, you are commenting on something that you don't even know about, you are assuming something and trying to belittle someone just because you have played at a certain level and think that what you say should be accepted blindly. According to you logic, Justin Bieber knows more about singing than other hardcore music fans and singers who don't get a chance to make it big.

You obviously have NO knowledge of the history of the game either, hence your inane comment on it's History.

Again, on what basis can you say that I don't know anything about cricket history? Just because I question it doesn't mean I have no idea about the history of the game. It is better to question things rather than simply accepting things as facts just because everyone around you does. I am not a blind follower.

I have played the game at First Class,State and represented my country. Among my mentors were Wally Grout, Ken Mackay and Wesley Hall and am good friends with Jeff Thompson who I also played with and against.

You might have played in that era, you have seen those guys bat, but doesn't that make you more biased towards them? The chances of you accepting that cricket in your era was not as professional are less and its natural for you to defend that the game was professional in your days. If anything, your comments should hold less weightage because you are simply biased to the players of your time.

Should you not know of these gentlemen,learn to read and find out. I'd suggest you both go home to your Mummys and play with your blocks/dolls and leave the serious discussion of this wonderful game to the grownups.

Personal attacks. Wow, you are a classy gentleman.


We are being provoked so that we would say something stupid and get banned, we are not doing that, but I guess we will be banned anyways.

 

[Spark]

Wasn't aware Jeff Thomson played in the 1940s.

The persecution complex is tedious btw. Get over yourselves, no one is getting infracted for having a controversial opinion in a single thread.

 

[TheJediBrah]

We are being provoked so that we would say something stupid and get banned

more than sufficient evidence in this thread that you don't need to be provoked

 

[vic_orthdox]

"I am looking at this absolutely objectively. Now let me point out all of your biases..."

The chutzpah to dismiss first hand sources in such a fashion is rather nauseating.

 

[karan316]

The troll army can continue targeting us,

I will just attempt one last time to explain what I was trying to say.

In any sport which hasn't fully evolved, you will find players who are freaks, players who are way ahead of their time. Bradman is one of them. Once the sport is fully evolved, you will not find such instances.

I will paste Ruckus' post in one of the similar threads since I think he explained it better.

That is the strongest argument (other than people who actually saw him) for Bradman's preeminence amongst batsmen imo, but I don't think it's impervious to debate. I'm playing devils advocate a bit here, but I think it is conceivable that for a game in it's nascency, where fundamental aspects of it like technique, training protocols, tactics, mental approaches to the game etc. are still very much changing and improving, it would be possible for a single player to rise from the 'pack' easier than in the more professional, modern game. I'm not saying any of these apply to Bradman, but e.g. a player might possess a 'radical' technique that simply works better than what the norm of the day is (and no-one else has caught up), they might have a mental/tactical approach to the game different to other players, they might simply have come up with more effective training methods than anyone else to improve their skills etc etc.. In the modern game, most things are pretty standardized and what works and what doesn't it a lot more set in stone, so I think the odds of an outlier emerging are a lot more slim because it would probably mean they genuinely possess freakish natural attributes (which are extremely rare). IMO, given the immense magnitude of his dominance, Bradman could well have been such a 'freak', but I don't think other explanations should be entirely out of question.

 

[vic_orthdox]

That's fair.

I still think that the major likelihood is that he was a mental freak more than anything else - I could go back and play Under 16s now and I wouldn't average 100 over the season, let alone 16 years, because I'd make enough bad decisions to get myself out. I think the "professionalism" argument is somewhat overrated - word gets around fellow players very quickly about how to get players out, what weaknesses they have, etc. - hence why he was often criticised as being no good on a wet wicket. And his career went over 18 years, enough time for plenty of theories to get around.

Funnily enough, the techniques that Bradman used have not been picked up on since very often. Greg Chappell adopted his grip after a recommendation from Bradman, which was reportedly rather unorthodox, but it's not been widely utilised.

 

[DriveClub]

I have to say I have been very much entertained in this thread. We have to find out JBMAC is!!

 

[Shri]

Went through every Aus player in a wiki page who was born in 1936. No convincing matches except Peter Allen but he was no keeper.

 

[DriveClub]

Went through every Aus player in a wiki page who was born in 1936. No convincing matches except Peter Allen but he was no keeper.

Can't be 1936 then, try another birth year!

 

[JBMAC]

This post reads like something posted by a 10 year old hence I find it hard to believe that you played against The Don.

I have never played with/against Bradman and have NEVER claimed to Have. My statement is "I HAVE SEEN BRADMAN PLAY". Get you facts right

 

[Shri]

We are on to you JBMAC!