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Ben Stokes vs Ravi Ashwin

Who wins the allrounder battle?

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Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
weldone said:
@Pratters:

2003-onwards Vettori maybe comparable as a batsman to Ashwin so far; and yes they were slightly better batsmen than Kapil imo.
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You are going over board regarding Ashwin's batting. Let it rest. Maybe after 4-5 years when he actually has made a lot of runs, you can make a case. Not now. You forget his batting has been improving over the years. Two years ago he couldn't bat like this. Let's see where it goes or if he can even sustain this level.
 
Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
***** said:
I can see an argument for batting based on recent form, but given how he started with the bat and England's options I dont think he gets in overall. And if we use recent form to justify Stokes getting in as a pure bat, then Ashwin gets in too - he had twin 100s vs the West Indies and that fear alone has earned Rohit Sharma a whole Test career.

I agree on 4th seamer, but England's best XI doesn't feature 4 pure bowlers. If not for his batting, Stokes would be a fringe fast bowler trying to break in.
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Stokes obviously gets into the side on batting alone ffs.
 
weldone

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Pratters said:
You are going over board regarding Ashwin's batting. Let it rest. Maybe after 4-5 years when he actually has made a lot of runs, you can make a case. Not now. You forget his batting has been improving over the years. Two years ago he couldn't bat like this. Let's see where it goes or if he can even sustain this level.
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"I just love his whole mannerism while batting at the crease - the poise, the pose, the ease. I'm a big fan of batsmen that have that flair while batting, which Ashwin certainly has." - Sir Vivian Richards
 
Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Pratters said:
You are going over board regarding Ashwin's batting. Let it rest. Maybe after 4-5 years when he actually has made a lot of runs, you can make a case. Not now. You forget his batting has been improving over the years. Two years ago he couldn't bat like this. Let's see where it goes or if he can even sustain this level.
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weldone said:
"I just love his whole mannerism while batting at the crease - the poise, the pose, the ease. I'm a big fan of batsmen that have that flair while batting, which Ashwin certainly has." - Sir Vivian Richards
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I loved the style of Trevor Gripper as a batsman. That does not mean how much of a quality he was or wasn't.
 
ImpatientLime

ImpatientLime

International Regular
“Cricket has had eras. In the eighties, it was Viv Richards, and then you had Brian Lara and Sachin Tendulkar who stood out. Adam Voges is one of the most complete players I’ve seen. He’s so versatile; he plays on both feet, and on all sides of the field.’’ - Imran Khan
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
things daniel vettori has done that ashwin hasn't

-played well in games outside of the subcontinent and windies with bat and ball
-drove a bus
-been good enough to be selected to bowl spin in new zealand and not dropped in favour of the indian anton devcich
-taken wickets in australia
-supported by people who think "burgeypoo" is a clever name

next you'll be spouting ashwin is better than kapi....i see
 
weldone

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Pratters said:
I loved the style of Trevor Gripper as a batsman. That does not mean how much of a quality he was or wasn't.
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Sure, although there's a slight difference between Pratters liking Trevor Gripper and Viv Richards being a fan of Ashwin's batting.
 
weldone

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
ImpatientLime said:
“Cricket has had eras. In the eighties, it was Viv Richards, and then you had Brian Lara and Sachin Tendulkar who stood out. Adam Voges is one of the most complete players I’ve seen. He’s so versatile; he plays on both feet, and on all sides of the field.’’ - Imran Khan
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Imran Khan also said Mohammad Sami would be the new Malcolm Marshall.
 
Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
weldone said:
Sure, although there's a slight difference between Pratters liking Trevor Gripper and Viv Richards being a fan of Ashwin's batting.
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:laugh: Thats not the point. Point is style doesn't always equate to runs and quality. And you are trying to point to the quality of Ashwin as a batsman. Some first class batsmen look really classical and lovely. However they can't make loads of test runs, for instance.
 
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