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Australia's Test Squad for England and West Indies
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Swingpanzee
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Hey at least he's the most successful bowler in his family
Tangles
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Happy to see Nev get in but dropping Burns is harsh. All so we can take both Marshes and Voges. Fair enough to reward Voges runs but 1 Marsh had to be omitted. Haven't seen much of Ahmed but I'm sure he'll be playing test 1 vs the Poms. Lyon is due a dropping based on elapsed time alone.
flibbertyjibber
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Got to say I don't think this Aussie side is as scary as some previous ones selected for tours to England. The bats will struggle against the swing and the all pace attack has to overcome something, Harris - Fitness, Johnson - Duke ball, Starc - Red ball, Siddle - Indifferent recent form and Hazlewood is an unknown quantity. I think the pitches will be similar to what we saw in 2013 and it will be the side who takes their chances in the big moments who win.
I am not saying England will win this series but I haven't given up all hope yet unlike people like Agnew and Boycott who have given up already.
I am not saying England will win this series but I haven't given up all hope yet unlike people like Agnew and Boycott who have given up already.
ImpatientLime
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yup, not sure how either series is gonna go but england are always going to be competitive at home with broad and anderson. lot of questions will be asked of the kiwi and aussie bats.
can't wait to see how kw and smith go.
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morgieb
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I think in general Australia are the better side, but I'm not convinced that will mean that we actually win. Think this might end up a bit like 2009 - Australia probably the better side overall, but England time their strong performances better and get a bit of luck with weather.
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Statistically most of the Aussies outperformed England, just that we underperformed at the wrong time.
Spark
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how many of those stats were on the basis of one test?
Tangles
International Vice-Captain
Starc isn't there with the red ball like he is with the white so this is a WC knee jerk reaction.
adub
International Captain
The bowling line up for the first ashes test will be a conundrum.
If Harris can walk he's a lock, and you'd expect Johnson to be selected even if he isn't bowling well just to give the poms a fright. I'd definitely go for Haze as the best to balance that attack (with hopefully Watson rediscovering swing). But I can see Starc getting picked because World Cup, or even Siddle because ?
Johnson is going to be interesting. I don't fear him spraying it these days, he genuinely looks like he has something approaching real control these days and I don't think the Duke will make much difference. It's his pace that is at question. If he's back to cranking out 150+ then he'll carve up, but even back in the mid 140s he looks decidedly less threatening. Just that extra couple of yards makes a real difference.
If Harris can walk he's a lock, and you'd expect Johnson to be selected even if he isn't bowling well just to give the poms a fright. I'd definitely go for Haze as the best to balance that attack (with hopefully Watson rediscovering swing). But I can see Starc getting picked because World Cup, or even Siddle because ?
Johnson is going to be interesting. I don't fear him spraying it these days, he genuinely looks like he has something approaching real control these days and I don't think the Duke will make much difference. It's his pace that is at question. If he's back to cranking out 150+ then he'll carve up, but even back in the mid 140s he looks decidedly less threatening. Just that extra couple of yards makes a real difference.
adub
International Captain
F'sure. He looks like he's getting back his pace. And he was fine during the India series, just not the lethal he had been against England and SA (and of course it would be ridiculous to presume anyone could keep that level up).
He surely will play both tests in the West Indies and start the Ashes (and likely play all 5 barring injury). The only question is he is getting older. He's reached the age where questions will start to be asked. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who could adjust his game to bowling well with less pace. If his pace does desert him and it isn't just a temporary thing how much longer will he command a place in the top three with the young guns coming through? I've always worried about how much difference there is between the quality of Starc's white ball work and the bog ordinariness of his red ball work, BUT if that gap closes and Starc is consistently bowling 150+ bombs?
Like I said maybe more a problem for next summer, but it could possibly be something that needs to be addressed earlier.
He surely will play both tests in the West Indies and start the Ashes (and likely play all 5 barring injury). The only question is he is getting older. He's reached the age where questions will start to be asked. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who could adjust his game to bowling well with less pace. If his pace does desert him and it isn't just a temporary thing how much longer will he command a place in the top three with the young guns coming through? I've always worried about how much difference there is between the quality of Starc's white ball work and the bog ordinariness of his red ball work, BUT if that gap closes and Starc is consistently bowling 150+ bombs?
Like I said maybe more a problem for next summer, but it could possibly be something that needs to be addressed earlier.
GotSpin
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Yeah agreed With the above posts. Our fielding Was seriously shocking off Johnson. It must be so infuriating to be steaming in and some melon in the slips cordon cant catch anything.
Questions definitely Remain over our batting in english conditions though.
I wonder how Lyon must feel always waking up to the media reporting that a new spinner is emerging.
Questions definitely Remain over our batting in english conditions though.
I wonder how Lyon must feel always waking up to the media reporting that a new spinner is emerging.
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adub
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Yep, super specimen. But **** it takes a toll bowling that quick. So many look like they'll go on forever and then are done and dusted in a couple of months. I'm not trying to dead ride the **** (any more 
), in fact it was his work in the UAE that really had me convinced he was properly reformed. But no one goes forever and he has age and younger and potentially even better guys working against him. I don't think he'll face hard questions about his place on these tours, but it won't surprise me if he does.
), in fact it was his work in the UAE that really had me convinced he was properly reformed. But no one goes forever and he has age and younger and potentially even better guys working against him. I don't think he'll face hard questions about his place on these tours, but it won't surprise me if he does.
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All this talk of Faulkner supposedly being a One-Day specialist is really just based off pure ignorance. It's an easy mistake to make considering how good he has been in ODIs for Australia but he simply hasn't had the opportunities in Tests to show that he is just as good. Domestically his First-class stats are brilliant, and that's not taking into account all the Shield cricket he's missed over the last couple of years due to playing Limited-overs cricket for Australia. His career averages are 31 with bat and 24 with ball, which is just about as good as a genuine all-rounder will get (no doubt his batting has improved since early years though). btw Mitch Marsh averages 29 with bat and 30 with the ball. Not saying averages are everything of course, but it goes to show some misconceptions.
If anything Faulkner was more of a First-class player than a Limited-Overs player when he was first picked but ever since then he's been pigeon-holed. And any knowledgeable cricket fan will know why reasoning such as "the way he plays mean he won't be successful in tests (ie slogging, slower balls etc)" is completely irrelevant.
Faulkner is easily good enough to play as a specialist Test bowler, but it's correct saying he is behind Harris/Johnson/Starc/Hazelwood and possibly Pattinson (he would be a much better selection than Cummins IMO, on bowling alone). On top of this his batting should put him in any touring Australian Test Squad. The really hard part would be finding a place for him in an 11. He's either going to have be a third quick (which he could easily do IMO) or be in the top 6 (or 7 with a keeper at 6).
If anything Faulkner was more of a First-class player than a Limited-Overs player when he was first picked but ever since then he's been pigeon-holed. And any knowledgeable cricket fan will know why reasoning such as "the way he plays mean he won't be successful in tests (ie slogging, slower balls etc)" is completely irrelevant.
Faulkner is easily good enough to play as a specialist Test bowler, but it's correct saying he is behind Harris/Johnson/Starc/Hazelwood and possibly Pattinson (he would be a much better selection than Cummins IMO, on bowling alone). On top of this his batting should put him in any touring Australian Test Squad. The really hard part would be finding a place for him in an 11. He's either going to have be a third quick (which he could easily do IMO) or be in the top 6 (or 7 with a keeper at 6).