All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[subshakerz]

such an overrated issue

Oh yeah that's overrated but Lillee somehow sucks at home against WI despite doing much better.

 

[Thala_0710]

It's okay to rate guys like Barry and Van Der Bijl extremely high if you think they had ATG skill level but rating them over either elite ATG Test careers or ATG test careers is a fantasy.

That's why I don't have Barry over the guys I consider ATG

 

[subshakerz]

It's okay to rate guys like Barry and Van Der Bijl extremely high if you think they had ATG skill level but rating them over either elite ATG Test careers or ATG test careers is a fantasy.

Kyear does place Barry in the ten best bats ever if I recall.

 

[sayon basak]

That's why I don't have Barry over the guys I consider ATG

Boycott is not ATG.

 

[Thala_0710]

Boycott is not ATG.

Exactly

 

[Johan]

Oh yeah that's overrated but Lillee somehow sucks at home against WI despite doing much better.

Lillee sucks bro

 

[subshakerz]

He really doesn't.

Show me 10 players who think he's the greatest bowler ever, or the greatest they've seen and I will consider their reputations almost equal.

That's not the debate of who is better, I just told you. It's whether you consider Van Der Bijls rep enough to consider him a great?

Would you have Van Der Bijl in your SA ATG XI? Why not?

 

[subshakerz]

Lillee sucks bro

Then so does McGrath moreso by your double standards

 

[Johan]

Boycott is not ATG.

Exactly

Ftr I think Barry above Greenidge or Kohli is as far as you can push it, and latter is very iffy

 

[kyear2]

It is. You consider him the second best bowler. Hence you vote on bowler ranking despite you admitting that you already have a bowler like him in Hadlee and best attacks are varied.

You lecture about team composition but don't vote accordingly.

I understand what you're saying, and against any other bowler I would agree and vote with you.
Hadlee, even Ambrose of Steyn.

But yeah, they're two reasons I can't.

And believe it or not, neither has anything to do with Imran.

And I agree with you, the attack lacks variety and that special something from the 3rd spot.

You annoyance is justified in general.

I also agree that we should have awaited the tie breaker vote.

 

[Johan]

lowkey if Boycott was Indian or Pakistani we won't be having this discussion but he was English so ofcourse we have to fantasize a Barry career to jerk off to rather than just accepting reality of one having a great career and other being a what if

 

[PlayerComparisons]

That's why I don't have Barry over the guys I consider ATG

Same

 

[Thala_0710]

Ftr I think Barry above Greenidge or Kohli is as far as you can push it, and latter is very iffy

And my argument is if you can push him till there, pushing him above Boycott isn't mad either

 

[kyear2]

That's why I don't have Barry over the guys I consider ATG

And I do consider Barry to be ATG.

 

[Johan]

And my argument is if you can push him till there, pushing him above Boycott isn't mad either

It is, Boycott has a much better FC career and an 18 year Test career, You would've to say you don't actually care about runs or longevity or achievements, only peer reputation to push Barry higher.

 

[Thala_0710]

And I do consider Barry to be ATG.

Which is fair enough ig... I only have 4 ATG openers in Hobbs, Hutton, Gavaskar and Sutcliffe

 

[Johan]

wrap it up guys, Les Jackson is a better bowler than James Anderson because Lindwall and Trueman said he was amazing, ignore their actual careers though

 

[Thala_0710]

It is, Boycott has a much better FC career and an 18 year Test career, You would've to say you don't actually care about runs or longevity or achievements, only peer reputation to push Barry higher.

I don't actually care about peer rep too much tbh

 

[subshakerz]

lowkey if Boycott was Indian or Pakistani we won't be having this discussion but he was English so ofcourse we have to fantasize a Barry career to jerk off to rather than just accepting reality of one having a great career and other being a what if

Johan, I agree with you but weren't you arguing over the test standard of country cricket at the time or something like that? That's what Kyear uses to base his rating of Barry.

 

[kyear2]

lowkey if Boycott was Indian or Pakistani we won't be having this discussion but he was English so ofcourse we have to fantasize a Barry career to jerk off to rather than just accepting reality of one having a great career and other being a what if

Boycott was a selfish **** who played for his own average.

It was never team focused or strategic. He played for his average.

Never respected those players, never will.