Debris
International 12th Man
My rerun with bug fixes has Watson < Tendulkar anyway
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All time best ODI team
- Thread starter midge
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Saint Kopite
First Class Debutant
In a pure lefties XI, Vaas would be there but at the same time in an all-time XI that just weakens Lefties XI. Hadlee and Ambrose were better bowlers and make it a more even contest, IMO!
viriya
International Captain
If you're talking pure ODI bowling careers, Vaas's record is better than both of them considering his era and longevity.
watson
Banned
As a batsman in an ODI game, who would rather not face? Ambrose, Hadlee, or Vaas?
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Sure but the discussion was around a right hand vs left hand game. Surely the bowlers should bowl left arm in the left arm team.
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Starting to feel Amla and Kohli deserve a spot.
Hashim Amla
Sachin Tendulkar
Ricky Ponting
Virat Kohli
Viv Richards
MS Dhoni
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Shane Warne
Joel Garner
Glenn McGrath
It's just how I feel today.
viriya
International Captain
Vaas was an ATG ODI bowler - I don't think it's as simple as picking Ambrose or Hadlee since they are obviously better overall bowlers.. It's hard to compare them considering the eras and career length differences.
A better question is probably Shaun Pollock or Hadlee/Ambrose in ODIs. I think Pollock should be an obvious choice.
viriya
International Captain
Bradman SR >>>>> Hammond SR. Hammond just went ape**** when bashing minnows.
Only Viv, Pietersen, Sehwag, Gilchrist and Warner has had higher SRs in Tests (60+)..
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Make it an awkward quadrangular series?
1. H Amla
2. T Dilshan
3. J Kallis
4. D Martyn
5. J Rhodes
6. M Boucher+
7. L Klusener
8. C Vaas
9. B Lee
10. S Mushtaq
11. S Bond
Hmm maybe keep it a tri-series
watson
Banned
Depends on the makeup and context of the team.
Because I have selected Garner, Murali, and McGrath at 9,10,11 for my team I need a good bowling allrounder like Pollock at No.8 to balance the lower order even though I prefer Ambrose as a pure bowler. However, if your attack already consisted of Kapil Dev, Vaas, Akram, and Saqlain (for example) then a fast right-arm bowler like Ambrose is just about mandatory. Pollock would be too pedestrian and therefore not suit the team.
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viriya
International Captain
I think you're taking Test success too much into account to make it seem like Ambrose > Pollock as a bowler is a no-brainer. Pollock's ODI bowling career is only 2nd to McGrath's when it comes to pace bowlers imo.
midge
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
What if he is unable to sustain his form like those guys have for most part of their career? Would you still consider him for an all time best team simply because he is a left-arm?
midge
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
The point that I am trying to make is that the those two guys have performed against better teams, which is a reflection of their talent. Not saying Shakib is not talented, but unless he does it against the big boys, he will not be counted in the same league.
watson
Banned
Never Played a LO game Pre ODI XI
01. Conrad Hunte
02. Warren Bardsley
03. Don Bradman
04. Ted Dexter (6)
05. John R Reid (5)
06. Frank Woolley (7)
07. Les Ames
08. Amar Singh (3)
09. Ray Lindwall (1)
10. Fred Trueman (2)
11. Bill O'Reilly (4)
Note: From memory, Bardsley's Test SR has been estimated at around 68. So he's in.
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OverratedSanity
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Wasim, surely
watson
Banned
Just for interest - the 'ICC Best Ever ODI Championship Rating' top 5 bowlers are;
1. Joel Garner - 940 points, Apr 1985
2. Richard Hadlee - 923 points, Jun 1983
3. Shaun Pollock - 917 points, Feb 2007
4. Muttiah Muralitharan - 913, Feb 2002
5. Glenn McGrath - 903 points, Jun 2002
(Note: According to the ICC all ODI games prior to the peak rating are taken into consideration. That is, the points are accumilative.)
Wasim Akram comes in 14th with 851 points, Oct 1994
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Personally don't think the ICC peak ratings are of much use for ranking players tbh.
watson
Banned
The following study gives a specific bowler a ranking by creating a 'Ratio' according to the following formula;
'Ratio' = (Overall Ave x Overall SR for Bowler's Era) / (Bowler's Ave x Bowler's SR)
The top 10 ODI bowlers across eras after the appropriate adjustment are;
01. Joel Garner 2.03
02. Glenn McGrath 1.76
03. Richard Hadlee 1.76
04. Shane Bond 1.74
05. Shaun Pollock 1.69
06. Muttiah Muralitharan 1.68
07. Curtly Ambrose 1.66
08. Michael Holding 1.66
09. Allan Donald 1.62
10. Andy Roberts 1.60
Stats from the Past: The best ODI bowlers from across eras | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo
Of course these Stats are overly broad because they do not take into account longevity or 'impact', and Akram played a whopping 356 matches and was an absolute legend in the World Cup. However, the stats do imply that other great bowlers were more consistent during their careers. For example, with respect to Average and SR Joel Garner was twice as successful as all other ODI bowlers.
Bottom line - it's a close run thing between Akram and Pollock.
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