5 greatest cricketers since Don’s retirement.

[subshakerz]

Not sure about Keith Miller

How many can claim to be a worldclass bowler along with a top 6 good bat? Surely pro rata he is more than an ATG bowler.

 

[DrWolverine]

Not even Bradman in the case of Sobers and Imran.

Bradman > Sobers or Imran

Just having the mere presence of Don Bradman would demoralise the bowlers in the opposition team

 

[subshakerz]

eh, a very much fading one, the team at Bourda were missing both their alpha batsman (Viv) and their alpha bowler, Philip Simmons was one of the openers but he was bad, Hooper and Logie we all know, Greenidge was very much fading by that time, only really left Haynes and Richardson combined with Walsh as the only experienced good bowler, Ambrose was debuting and was awful that series. Barbados was impressive but not really a tactical masterstroke by him.

also, Pakistan can't complain about bad umpiring lol.

Regardless if Pakistan can't complain, they were one umpiring decision away from a 2-0 win in WI.

 

[subshakerz]

Still needs the guy, and his stood up more often than most.

What does that even mean? You don't think NZ needed Hadlee?

Your argument on McGrath getting extra points makes no sense at all

 

[Johan]

Regardless if Pakistan can't complain, they were one umpiring decision away from a 2-0 win in WI.

Tough

 

[subshakerz]

Tough

I agree but getting them that close is to Imrans credit.

But Bradman is still better.

 

[Johan]

I agree but getting them that close is to Imrans credit.

But Bradman is still better.

I think Migara doesn't like the idea of an Australian being the greatest cricketer of all time.

 

[subshakerz]

I think Migara doesn't like the idea of an Australian being the greatest cricketer of all time.

@Migara is a maverick.

 

[Johan]

@Migara is a maverick.

Kapil Dev>Viv Richards, Clive Lloyd and Alvin Kalicharan lives in my heart forever.

 

[subshakerz]

Kapil Dev>Viv Richards, Clive Lloyd and Alvin Kalicharan lives in my heart forever.

We need the occasional non-conformist to keep things interesting.

 

[Thala_0710]

Kapil Dev>Viv Richards, Clive Lloyd and Alvin Kalicharan lives in my heart forever.

That was epic icl

 

[Coronis]

It's wrong to give credit to players who made their teams stronger?

Seriously?

I swear this is just a cricket thing.

Brady is the GOAT because of wins, as was Montanna before him.

Pitchers gets credit for wins and losses based on their importance.

McGrath elevated that team to practically GOAT status and without him, they simply aren't.

Yes, one gets credit for that.

Nah its Brown.

But yeah not sure that you can compare winning across sports, due to the different individual importance in each sport that vastly affects the importance.

 

[GIMH]

Flintoff
Root
Anderson
Stokes
Afridi

 

[Migara]

Bradman > Sobers or Imran

Just having the mere presence of Don Bradman would demoralise the bowlers in the opposition team

Tell that to a 4 prong WI seam attack. If Bradman was there they will find extra yard to intimidate him (successfully or unsuccessfully). The truth is there had been many better attacks than what Bradman played as his best.

 

[Migara]

I think Migara doesn't like the idea of an Australian being the greatest cricketer of all time.

Then I pick Gilchrist in best ever five cricketers post Bradman, and McGrath almost equal to Marshall. Now explain that. Only Aussie players I have a dig at is Lillee and Warne. Having dig at them hurts the masculine animals inside Aussies.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Tell that to a 4 prong WI seam attack. If Bradman was there they will find extra yard to intimidate him (successfully or unsuccessfully). The truth is there had been many better attacks than what Bradman played as his best.

Ask Sobers to bat in Bodyline.

 

[Northerner]

It is impossible to compare different generations, no neutral umpires or DRS in the past, but uncovered wickets instead. getting LBW s in some countries was almost impossible. how different would batters averages have been with todays technology, how much better strike rates would bowlers have in the past with neutral umpires and DRS, people have opinions, but it cant really be a fair selection. just best guess,

Sobers
Tendulkar
Kallis
Hadlee
Warne

 

[Coronis]

Flintoff
Root
Anderson
Stokes
Afridi

Anderson a surprising pick there

 

[kyear2]

He isn't. Realistically after Bradman, the top cricketers should all be top ARs (Sobers, Imran, Hadlee, Kallis, Miller). Nobody can overcome them on primary alone

And I strenuously disagree.

During his substantive all rounder career, Imran averaged 35 in victories. That's excellent right?

In reality it's actually a rpm of 33. That's 33 runs per match.

The all round skills that captures so much attention has literally never been linked to winning or key to winning.

As I've said, that's what I love about the NFL, they identify traits and positions that are key to winning and focus on them. We're still looking at stats.

Do we really think Hadlee's lower order runs consistently turns the tides of games?

It doesn't give you two players and most (not all but most) of the numbers are accumulated and boosted in meaningless drawn contests.

Kallis is a different beast. Even though it's some minnow bashing, in helpful conditions he was a handful and contributed to victories and his catching was particularly critical. But in his primary, he was never particularly noted to be a match winning performer. He's just not quite up there in the absolute upper echelon as a batsman.

And what about the ATG batsmen that were also elite AT slips? Ponting, Chappell, Hammond, Richards, or even that next tier of Dravid, Lara etc etc. do they get boosted as well?

And along that same vein, if we're going accumulative skills, then Sobers, Kallis and Hammond are surely way ahead of the two bowling all rounders.

The inconsistencies though.

 

[kyear2]

Hammond is that tier, better bat than Kallis, GOAT slip, handy paceman recognised for his skill by everyone including the Don, good at Googlies and Leg Breaks

Exactly.

If we're doing it this way, Hammond is behind only Sobers.