kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
No one's being down graded.
But is it wrong to give credit for team success or elevating a team to greatness?
That's to goal, to win. Australia doesn't become the GOAT candidate without McGrath.
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5 greatest cricketers since Don’s retirement.
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But is it wrong to give credit for team success or elevating a team to greatness?
That's to goal, to win. Australia doesn't become the GOAT candidate without McGrath.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
Dear God.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
Sub tier.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
That's different to deliberately involving tropes then claiming innocence.
Fuller Pilch
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Re the votes for Hutton and Miller is that only considering their performances after Bradman retired?
In that case it would eliminate Hutton's 364 and Miller's performances for the Invincibles etc.
In that case it would eliminate Hutton's 364 and Miller's performances for the Invincibles etc.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
ftr, stats after Bradman’s retirement -
Hutton 47 tests 81 innings 4229 @ 59.56 12 tons 20 fifties
Miller 39 tests 67 innings 2175 @ 35.08 6 tons 8 fifties
39 tests 68 innings 130 @ 23.40 6 5’fers 1 10’fer
shortpitched713
Cricketer Of The Year
I would have gone with 6, and I also have a clear 7th.
1) Murali - I'm fairly confident he was the greatest cricketer since Don's retirement.
2) McGrath - GOAT fast bowler, probably very close to the next two, in spite not batting a lick.
3) Imran - Tied with Hadlee on combination of bowling and batting value. If I had to make a tie-breaker for captaincy, that would be the only reason to put him over Hadlee.
4) Hadlee - Absolute gun. "Only" played 86 Tests, and didn't have that added boost of legendary level captaincy as an X-factor. Otherwise could place him over any of the above two without thinking twice.
5/6) Kallis/Tendulkar - Token batsmen, voted for Kallis, because his status as an also ran in this poll is a bit wild.
7) Shaun Pollock - He played 108 Tests. That's a legitimate longevity feat for a sub 24 average bowling all-rounder. People don't like him though, so whatevs.
1) Murali - I'm fairly confident he was the greatest cricketer since Don's retirement.
2) McGrath - GOAT fast bowler, probably very close to the next two, in spite not batting a lick.
3) Imran - Tied with Hadlee on combination of bowling and batting value. If I had to make a tie-breaker for captaincy, that would be the only reason to put him over Hadlee.
4) Hadlee - Absolute gun. "Only" played 86 Tests, and didn't have that added boost of legendary level captaincy as an X-factor. Otherwise could place him over any of the above two without thinking twice.
5/6) Kallis/Tendulkar - Token batsmen, voted for Kallis, because his status as an also ran in this poll is a bit wild.
7) Shaun Pollock - He played 108 Tests. That's a legitimate longevity feat for a sub 24 average bowling all-rounder. People don't like him though, so whatevs.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
When did you say that before
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yes it's wrong to give more credit to players who happen to be in stronger teams
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
That is what you are saying. They are more high profile contests.
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Imran
Hadlee
Kallis
Miller
Tendulkar
Hadlee
Kallis
Miller
Tendulkar
shortpitched713
Cricketer Of The Year
Snake Syle Draft XIs
(Both sides missing 1 bat from the original list, I used Luffy's top 100 poll to fill in the remainder
Team 1
Richard Hadlee
Sachin Tendulkar
Jacques Kallis
Glenn McGrath
Shane Warne
Len Hutton
Adam Gilchrist
Curtly Ambrose
Ian Botham
Allan Border
Ricky Ponting
Team 2
Imran Khan
Malcolm Marshall
Viv Richards
Muttiah Muralitharan
Keith Miller
Brian Lara
Wasim Akram
Sunil Gavaskar
Kumar Sangakkara
Greg Chappell
Graeme Pollock
Batting orders:
Team 1
Len Hutton
Ricky Ponting
Jacques Kallis
Sachin Tendulkar
Allan Border
Adam Gilchrist
Ian Botham
Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne
Curtly Ambrose
Glenn McGrath
Team 2
Sunil Gavaskar
Kumar Sangakkara
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Graeme Pollock
Greg Chappell
Keith Miller
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Malcolm Marshall
Muttiah Muralitharan
Which Team y'all reckon would win?
(Both sides missing 1 bat from the original list, I used Luffy's top 100 poll to fill in the remainder
Team 1
Richard Hadlee
Sachin Tendulkar
Jacques Kallis
Glenn McGrath
Shane Warne
Len Hutton
Adam Gilchrist
Curtly Ambrose
Ian Botham
Allan Border
Ricky Ponting
Team 2
Imran Khan
Malcolm Marshall
Viv Richards
Muttiah Muralitharan
Keith Miller
Brian Lara
Wasim Akram
Sunil Gavaskar
Kumar Sangakkara
Greg Chappell
Graeme Pollock
Batting orders:
Team 1
Len Hutton
Ricky Ponting
Jacques Kallis
Sachin Tendulkar
Allan Border
Adam Gilchrist
Ian Botham
Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne
Curtly Ambrose
Glenn McGrath
Team 2
Sunil Gavaskar
Kumar Sangakkara
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Graeme Pollock
Greg Chappell
Keith Miller
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Malcolm Marshall
Muttiah Muralitharan
Which Team y'all reckon would win?
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Team 2 would win, despite Sanga Opening AND keeping being a fair bit too much to ask.
shortpitched713
Cricketer Of The Year
I think he did it before, but someone had to make the sacrifice anyway.
Why would they win?
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Better batting and almost equal bowling
Within the context of this post, there are a suprising amount of votes for Miller. I rate him way higher than most. Behind only Bradman, the big 4ARs, and maybe Murali.
But is he ahead of even Pollock here on this timeframe? Pollock has nearly triple the amount of games, over triple the the amount of wickets, and clearly superior stats.
shortpitched713
Cricketer Of The Year
I honestly believe Shaun Pollock not being in this list is a travesty.
One of the most underrated modern cricketers by CW (after Hayden, of course).
One of the most underrated modern cricketers by CW (after Hayden, of course).
I don't rate Pollocks bowling very highly, and don't think he needs to be on this list. I think he is ahead of Miller if we are using these timeframes.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
You also think he's a top 10 cricketer, which is a greatest travesty tbh.