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All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
was funny when this logic went flying out the window when Compton was brought up because "romanticism"
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Barry has the performances and the stats.

And show me similar XIs with Compton ahead of Barry as well.

There are multiple pundits who rank Barry as the greatest bat they ever saw. Even more, the greatest opener.

They aren't the same.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Captain
Johan said:
@Thala_0710 refute
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You as well as I know his deficiencies of being a bit selfish and not as expansive a stroke maker as most would like... Even after Greenidge's decline, they both have the same match factor, so it's not like era benefitted Greenidge either.... Who was also much more attacking
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
kyear2 said:
NcGrath played in a flatter era and was better in said conditions.

McGrath was better at the top of innings and is clearly seen by many as the best new ball bowler ever. He also didn't get half the opportunities Hadlee had and took vs the tail.

Hadlee wasn't seen as one of the top two bowlers even when he played. Even Crowe went with Lillee and Marshall over him and was clear about that.

There isn't an article, interview where he's rated as the GOAT, heck even multiple AT XIs where he's featured.

I don't think he's in the same category as the top two.
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Obviously McGrath has more top order wickets because others like Warne were taking the tail. McGrath played in a flatter era for half his career but not sure he was better in said conditions, nowhere was McGrath as ATG as Hadlee was in Aus.

Anyways you have kinda confirmed that aside form peer rating and era, you don't really have a solid argument for why McGrath should be ahead of Hadlee. I gave several for Hadlee you didn't reply to.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Captain
Thala_0710 said:
You as well as I know his deficiencies of being a bit selfish and not as expansive a stroke maker as most would like... Even after Greenidge's decline, they both have the same match factor, so it's not like era benefitted Greenidge either.... Who was also much more attacking
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Basically saying that before his Kohliesque decline, Greenidge would have been rated higher and fairly so, taking the decline into account I personally have Boycott just slightly over Greenidge but it's a small gap... But the point remains... If Barry can go over Greenidge, then him going over Boycott isn't outrageous either
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
kyear2 said:
Dude, have you read the thread.

Between Hadlee and Imran, sure. McGrath for me is a non negotiable for the team.

Contrary to what you think, not everything is about Imran.
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Yes and the reason he isn't negotiable is the same stat ranking logic. You don't care about team composition when it comes down to it.
 
Johan

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
Thala_0710 said:
You as well as I know his deficiencies of being a bit selfish and not as expansive a stroke maker as most would like... Even after Greenidge's decline, they both have the same match factor, so it's not like era benefitted Greenidge either.... Who was also much more attacking
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match factor seriously? that statistic is too dependent on your own side's bowling unit, as Greenidge had literally the greatest ever they would dismiss opposition early and therefore the output in their games would be lower.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Captain
Johan said:
match factor seriously? that statistic is too dependent on your own side's bowling unit, as Greenidge had literally the greatest ever they would dismiss opposition early.
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Fair point, but I don't think the pitches Greenidge played on were any easier either way... The SR is ofc an important point.. It's not like it's irrelevant (Trumper would be high, but not that high up without SR too)
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Captain
sayon basak said:
A discussion thread is supposed to be a joke thread. It was made for this sole reason, to put all the junk here rather than in the actual thread.
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I don't think it's supposed to be such a joke. You could still have meaningful debates about the people getting voted in currently
 
Johan

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
Thala_0710 said:
Fair point, but I don't think the pitches Greenidge played on were any easier either way... The SR is ofc an important point.. It's not like it's irrelevant (Trumper would be high, but not that high up without SR too)
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Swear on your soul you think opening in England and opening in West Indies are same difficulty
 
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