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*Official* Australia Tour of West Indies 2025

govinda indian fan

International Debutant
Having had a bit more time to think about this, yes, the pitches are a huge issue and a mitigating factor when looking at the batters performances in this series. But I still wanted to see some evidence that they had the technique to perform in better conditions.

Apart from one superb innings from King, I didn't see that. Campbell showed glimpses but he will eventually get himself out when he gets to 30odd anyway. Louis looked awful in this match.

Anderson, who I have watched a lot in fc cricket and I thought had a chance of succeeding, looked like a deer in the headlights and a completely different player from the one I know. Carty showed minor glimpses but his fc record says he will get out pretty early eventually, no matter how solid he looks.

Chase and Hope are still terrible against good pace bowling with inward movement. Both got out in identical ways to previous iterations of their test career. I should have seen this coming, if I am honest. They both came back to play an fc match against T & T at Kensington Oval in March, alongside Kraigg and Holder. They faced Seales, Phillip and Joshua James, so a decent pace attack. Barbados were bowled out for 86 and 121.

Greaves just isn't good enough for test cricket. Honest trier, excellent fc cricketer, but not a test player.

So I am at a complete loss over what we do next. We primarily have to keep this lot, with minor tweaks, and just suck it up. Its going to be a long WTC for us.
Alick athanzhe looks much better then carty. Also play hope as batter and give gloves to da silva or imlach.
 

the big bambino

Cricketer Of The Year
Fancy having to turn to Marcus Harris for an Ashes series. ''Please Marcus we need you''
I know right and you can't rule him out, especially if he tugs a few runs at the start of the season. There might be a glimmer of hope. The bowlers who've tormented him are Bumrah, Broad and Anderson and he won't be facing any of them. You wouldn't like his chances against Archer but that player might be managed over the series so he might not face him all the time.
 

Molehill

International Coach
That's not a cheat.

Mcgrath and warne supposedly took 1001 wickets together. I think ponting probably played in most of the 104 matches they played, so maybe that trio wins.
I actually checked this earlier, they are just short
I was thinking about this too and assumed Ponting was probably the best to go with those 2.

But I've found one which beats them all, these 3 played 76 Tests together and managed 752 wickets between them.

Murali 504
Vaas 244
Jayawardene 4

The biggest surprise for me was that Mahela took 6 Test wickets (4 whilst playing with these 2).
 

Kirkut

International Regular
Starc has been a major reason for Australia being as successful as they have been in all forms of cricket in this generation. I dunno if that alone makes him better than Gillespie but he is in that tier of conversation for sure. Better than Johnson at the very least IMO.
For some reason he has a mental block when bowling against India. His bowling length becomes more short.
 

jaydesh

School Boy/Girl Captain
In all honesty, West Indies have no excuses for failing to groom a single test batter in the last 10-15 odd years. I really don't have time for excuses about money from the ICC (or lack thereof), decline in talent pool, T20 cricket, troubles with local economy, etc. The last time WI had a proper batter was the great Shivnarine Chanderpaul, but WICB being as devious as they were, he was let go without any proper retirement. Since then, there has been a culture of mediocrity, poor accountability, and no seriousness about playing. In addition, I must ask, do the WICB have a bias against most players not from Barbados? I'm sure there is a lot of talent in Guyana, Antigua, St Vincent, St Lucia, Trinidad, etc. that are bewildered about their lack of chances to play, while some utterly pathetic and useless Bajans like Kraigg Brathwaite, Shai Hope, Roston Chase, etc. keep getting picked only to fail.

And for all the talk about the superiority of T20 cricket in the Caribbean, it doesn't look like even that is shining these days. The CPL is mostly played in front of empty grounds many times, and their T20 side is a shadow of the one that mesmerized us in the 2016 WT20. And let's not even talk about their ODI performance.

I feel really sorry for their bowling attack of Shamar, Seales, Alzarri, Greaves, and Philip. These guys could easily make up among the best bowling units in the world, if not for their batters consistently letting them down.
 

Skyliner

International Debutant

Sliferxxxx

State Vice-Captain
White wash for me wasnt unexpected, Australia's bowling is better and batting/fielding much better. And after all, even the best (India) suffered a White wash not too long ago, so it happens. But to be bowled out for Fcking 27???!!! Like wtf??!! Seriously. That's unacceptable.
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
West Indies bats need to seriously grind, and not grind against nothing bowling and low level competition either, go play in the Australian or English domestic systems.
 

Shady Slim

International Coach
obviously wi had a shocking batting series and currently have a shocking batting order but come on you guys dismissed big mean australia cheaply in every game, yes flopped with the bat but you’ve got a bowling unit that can do enough to get a win against any team in the world

we bowled out india for 36 and they came back and won the series boys! obviously they had a classier lineup with the bat to rebound with but you have the bowlers to keep rebuilding!
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah it's not curtains for West Indies, one piece of the puzzle is put in, the other piece has to be worked hard on and it won't be easy but if one can be done, why can't the other?
 

Skyliner

International Debutant
India got dismissed for 36 but there were proven test runscorers in that team so it was obvious that that humiliation was an outlier that would be bounced back from. In the case of the Windies batting, there are no proven test runscorers. Roston Chase has been made captain but after 52 tests he is only averaging 25.85 - so is he going to improve from here? After 52 tests you have a pretty good indication of his quality as a test batsman. Shai Hope has played 42 tests and is averaging 24.52, John Campbell has played 23 tests and is averaging 24.85, Mikyle Louis has played 10 tests and is averaging 18.45......these numbers are very poor. Kraigg Brathwaite played 100 tests for an average of 32.51 and has now been dropped.

'Brandon King made West Indies' one half-century of the series - his 75 was also the highest individual score on either side - but no one else, barring Anderson Phillip who played a single match, averaged over 20.
Since February 2023, when Kraigg Brathwaite and Tagenarine Chanderpaul each score hundreds in a 336-run stand against Zimbabwe, West Indies have had two centuries: Kavem Hodge against England and Justin Greaves against Bangladesh.
Since the start of 2023, the West Indies, as a venue for Tests, has the lowest collective batting average where more than a single match has been played. West Indies, themselves, average just 18.39 in that period, by far the lowest for a home side.'
 

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Pretty straightforward. Get Marnus to open

The idea that Australia can afford to permanently bin someone like him right now is hilarious. Of course I'm going to add the need of a decent score first but he can make that leading up to the Ashes
Totally agree

Bad Marnus will average 30 and is a top fielder which is more than you can count on from virtually anyone else

Sad situation that the bar is so low
 

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