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1st Test (Leeds) - 20th June

Molehill

Molehill

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Will be interesting to see the England strategy to him. Obvious thing is play sensibly and try to see him off knowing that runs will be available at the other end and when the ball gets older. But does this batting line up do sensible?
 
cnerd123

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Not sure if Bumrah is fragile. Always seems to be rushed back from injury and carries a pretty heavy workload.

In the last 5 years, Bumrah has bowled 952.3 overs in Tests, which is 11th in the world and 5th in the world for quick bowlers - above him are Anderson, Southee, Cummins and Starc. Add to the fact that Bumrah has a heavy white-ball load as well. I don't think he's 'fragile'. He's just not superhuman.
 
Coronis

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cnerd123 said:
Not sure if Bumrah is fragile. Always seems to be rushed back from injury and carries a pretty heavy workload.

In the last 5 years, Bumrah has bowled 952.3 overs in Tests, which is 11th in the world and 5th in the world for quick bowlers - above him are Anderson, Southee, Cummins and Starc. Add to the fact that Bumrah has a heavy white-ball load as well. I don't think he's 'fragile'. He's just not superhuman.
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I mean yeah, he averages under 30 overs a match. Its not just a criticism I’d level at him, its one I’d level at almost all modern fast bowlers.

You bring up LO loads too but then you know… if we’re trying to measure him as an ATG I’m comparing that workload to ATGs from the past who also played a lot of FC cricket and bowled far more overall.

It seems like he’s rested more/misses more games for actual injury than his direct top contemporaries in Rabada and Cummins.

e.g in that 5 year period we have

Cummins 38/44
Rabada 28/34
Bumrah 32/48

in both those senses, fragile definitely seems like an apt description imo.
 
flibbertyjibber

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If the weather holds we get a winner. Either England by 5/6 wickets or India by 100+ runs. Wouldn't want to call it though.
 
Uppercut

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Coronis said:
I mean yeah, he averages under 30 overs a match. Its not just a criticism I’d level at him, its one I’d level at almost all modern fast bowlers.

You bring up LO loads too but then you know… if we’re trying to measure him as an ATG I’m comparing that workload to ATGs from the past who also played a lot of FC cricket and bowled far more overall.

It seems like he’s rested more/misses more games for actual injury than his direct top contemporaries in Rabada and Cummins.

e.g in that 5 year period we have

Cummins 38/44
Rabada 28/34
Bumrah 32/48

in both those senses, fragile definitely seems like an apt description imo.
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I think it’s the other way round, Cummins should have sat more games out. Picking him in all 5 tests of the 2023 Ashes was a big mistake.
 
centurymaker

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Cummins plays a lot. Rabada not that much; he's only played 28 tests. Least of the three.

Cummins 38/44
Bumrah 32/48
Rabada 28/34
 
Molehill

Molehill

International Coach
centurymaker said:
Cummins plays a lot. Rabada not that much; he's only played 28 tests. Least of the three.

Cummins 38/44
Bumrah 32/48
Rabada 28/34
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Uppercut said:
I think it’s the other way round, Cummins should have sat more games out. Picking him in all 5 tests of the 2023 Ashes was a big mistake.
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The problem is lack of alternatives for Cummins. In 2023, Boland had already been exposed as pretty useless outside Aus. It should be a big concern given Starc/Haze/Boland will all retire soon.
 
capt_Luffy

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Coronis said:
I mean yeah, he averages under 30 overs a match. Its not just a criticism I’d level at him, its one I’d level at almost all modern fast bowlers.

You bring up LO loads too but then you know… if we’re trying to measure him as an ATG I’m comparing that workload to ATGs from the past who also played a lot of FC cricket and bowled far more overall.

It seems like he’s rested more/misses more games for actual injury than his direct top contemporaries in Rabada and Cummins.

e.g in that 5 year period we have

Cummins 38/44
Rabada 28/34
Bumrah 32/48

in both those senses, fragile definitely seems like an apt description imo.
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Over that period he had one major back injury that forced him out for a year. Remove that they all roughly missed equal games and played so too.
 
mackembhoy

mackembhoy

International Regular
cnerd123 said:
You can not control the weather. Lets say they played more time yesterday and today, but end up not losing any time tomorrow. What then? Do they end tomorrow early anyways? Or do you have a Test where the fear of rain lead to extra overs being played across the 5 days? How do you think the players, spectators, broadcasters, staff paid to work at the event will feel about either outcome?
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There is no reason not to play 90 overs a day if the weather allows it.

They managed to play 192 overs 2 hours up the road in CLS in the first 2 days and was as much rain the in the North East if not more than Leeds.
 
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