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2nd Semi Final | Ind vs Eng | Adelaide, 10 Nov 2022

Blenkinsop

U19 Cricketer
Poor performance from india today, but can we stop acting like the batting was the issue? India let england chase 170 in 16 on a slow deck and bowled+fielded like an under 11's team. Rohit's inning's was poor, but everyone else in the lineup did fine, everyone in the top 5 has made a 50 or more at some point in the tournament and contributed.
Equal blame to batters and bowlers IMO. If you're 60 after 10 you're never going to bat the opposition out of the game. If England had batted first they'd have made 220.
 

Teja.

Global Moderator
Poor performance from india today, but can we stop acting like the batting was the issue? India let england chase 170 in 16 on a slow deck and bowled+fielded like an under 11's team. Rohit's inning's was poor, but everyone else in the lineup did fine, everyone in the top 5 has made a 50 or more at some point in the tournament and contributed.
The match was lost in the first 10 overs of the Indian batting innings, whatever happened later in the England innings was a consequence of the lack of pressure created earlier.

Sure, it would have been better if we pushed them to a 170-4 out of 18.4 overs with an excellent bowling effort but the match result was not in doubt once we put in an abjectly lacklustre batting effort.
 

Window

U19 Debutant
People keep talking about India's lack of upfront aggressive batting and strike rates but surely it was the bowling which let us down massively today. Scoreboard pressure would have helped sure but that doesn't explain 170-0.

Edit: just saw the above post from Nintendo and I agree.
 

Everton Seymour

U19 Debutant
Didn't understand any of this
What the poster is saying or what I think the poster is trying to say is that white ball cricket has evolved and that India's current way of doing things is outdated .

Consistency can only take you so far but to get over the line in tournaments you need to dare , you need to take risks .. It's no longer just about how many runs did you score ...The more pertinent question is how did you help the team ? Did you utilise the powerplay well enough ? How many dot balls did you absorb ? What's your boundary count like ... As a team are you good enough in the field ?
Do you have proper bowling options for the conditions ? And if your fifth bowler gets injured or is having an off day do you have a 6th bowling option that can do a job ?

Do you bat deep enough? ...

Look at England they may not have guys who average 50 with the bat like Kohli , you might troll Jordan but everyone on that team is drilled in a Structure that gives them the best chance ... Everyone basically can bat and at a decent clip , There's a plethora of bowling options, nobody's afraid to go over the top .. Win or lose they give themselves the best chance ...Same can't be said for India ..
 

cnerd123

likes this
bowling definitely needs to cop flack. 168 was below par but if we took a few early wickets and got into that soft middle order it was game on. The flaws in this attack were there to see in all the games leading up to this. Just no incisiveness or control through the middle orders - it was always new ball poles or bust.

Even if we get the openers out in the powerplay, we very probably still lose, it just drags out to the 18th/19th over.
 

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
We need to play bazball. We need to go all guns blazing right from the start. Our conservtive "tuktuk approach in the majority of the game and explode in last 5 overs" has become obselote.
 

artvandalay

State Vice-Captain
As a Rahul Dravid fan it pains me to say this but I am not convinced he’s the right man to coach us in T20, his approach was always to put a price on his wicket and it’s why he’s such a legendary Test player but in a world T20 semi final we needed to attack instead we were too passive and paid the price.
Says he regrets that we couldn't get to 180 inspite of losing having made 168 with 4 overs to spare. If that doesn't highlight what the problem is I don't know what does.
 

artvandalay

State Vice-Captain
We need to play bazball. We need to go all guns blazing right from the start. Our conservtive "tuktuk approach in the majority of the game and explode in last 5 overs" has become obselote.
This approach also needs batting depth which we don't have which is when you get games like the Asia cup one where Kohli was farming the strike in the last 2 overs. One dimensional white ball cricketers is another issue which was not a problem even a decade or 2 decades back. The way we play is closer to the way Nzl play t20 cricket, i daresay they do that better than us.
 

Sunil1z

International Debutant
We can play bazball and all that , but still get eliminated in knockouts like Eng were last year . We need a mental conditioning coach . You can’t allow 168 to be chased in 16 overs with 10 wkts in hand. Team doesn’t know how to handle knockout pressure. We become Bangladesh/ Zimbabwe in knockouts.
 
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Adorable Asshole

International Regular
Ponting : As a player , you are remembered by how you perform in knockouts.

Hayden: Teams will not like to face us in knockouts.

Rohit/Kohli:One match doesn’t define who you are as a cricketer.
It is quite clear 1 of these 3 cricketers are extremely afraid of knockout game .
Not Kohli that was just Rohit.
 

smash84

The Tiger King
Ponting : As a player , you are remembered by how you perform in knockouts.

Hayden: Teams will not like to face us in knockouts.

Rohit/Kohli:One match doesn’t define who you are as a cricketer.
It is quite clear 1 of these 3 cricketers are extremely afraid of knockout game .
I think the one thing PCB has gotten right in the past 1 year is to get Matthew Hayden to mentor the batting. And as he said, he doesn't try to work on the technical side of things, but tries to get batsmen mentally in shape. Given the mental midgets Pak batsmen are, this was definitely a step in the right direction.
 

Sunil1z

International Debutant
I think the one thing PCB has gotten right in the past 1 year is to get Matthew Hayden to mentor the batting. And as he said, he doesn't try to work on the technical side of things, but tries to get batsmen mentally in shape. Given the mental midgets Pak batsmen are, this was definitely a step in the right direction.
We had a mental conditioning coach even in 2011 WC . Garry Kirsten had hired him for WC . We need another one . Team freezes in pressure situations.
 

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