Younis Khan vs Rahul Dravid

[viriya]

Definitely not top 3 2000-09, thats obviously Ponting, Tendulkar and Lara (in that order) but from 2010 to now, he is most definitely a top 3. The other 2 are Amla and...erm...the 3rd pick is a tough one.

Edit: Border should never be mentioned in the same breath as Miandad and Richards.

There is no way Sachin is a lock for top 3 from 2000-09. Kallis, Yousuf, Sanga, Inzamam and even Dravid had a better 2000-09.

 

[Zinzan]

There is no way Sachin is a lock for top 3 from 2000-09. Kallis, Yousuf, Sanga, Inzamam and even Dravid had a better 2000-09.

Think you'll find he was talking about Younis, not Sachin.

 

[viriya]

Think you'll find he was talking about Younis, not Sachin.

He just listed his top 3 in 2000-09... read his post again.

 

[listento_me]

There is no way Sachin is a lock for top 3 from 2000-09. Kallis, Yousuf, Sanga, Inzamam and even Dravid had a better 2000-09.

Are you serious??? Tendulkar is most definitely a lock in those years. Ponting of course has the immense run scoring (10k or so in both tests and ODIs...each) but Tendulkar has 20 odd centuries in tests and a similar number in ODIs. Most batsmen go entire careers with 20 centuries lol

As much as I rate Yousuf (that mammoth season is enough for greatness), Inzy, Dravid and the others, Tendulkar stands tall among those men. He breathes the rarefied air reserved for Bradman, Ponting. Richards, Miandad and Lara.

Think you'll find he was talking about Younis, not Sachin.

I was talking about Sachin.

 

[Zinzan]

He just listed his top 3 in 2000-09... read his post again.

Right you are.

 

[Burgey]

Definitely not top 3 2000-09, thats obviously Ponting, Tendulkar and Lara (in that order) but from 2010 to now, he is most definitely a top 3. The other 2 are Amla and...erm...the 3rd pick is a tough one.

Edit: Border should never be mentioned in the same breath as Miandad and Richards.

I am indebted to Shady Slim for bringing this dross to my attention.

Miandad was a serviceable to very good player for sure, which of course makes him a Pakistani ATG. Played at home on feather beds (the same ones Imran gets credit for bowling well on), and averaged 60 on those whilst averaging 16 less per dig away. Everything you posted about him applies to the TOTAB, only to the power of 1000. Plus TOTAB managed to captain his side for nigh on a decade and keep averaging over 50 without having a mutiny on his hands for being a complete ****, together with averaging 56 away from home.

Spare me this rubbish you're speaking.

TOTAB > Miandad by a big margin.

 

[Furball]

I'm on the fence, was Border ever given out lbw in Australia?

 

[Burgey]

Yes. Lots. None were actually out, but the umpires took pity on the poor bowlers and gave them a chance.

 

[Coronis]

Noway. Miandad averaged 50 throughout the entirety of his career, the only one alongside Hobbs. On top of that, he is a world cup winner, a warrior against the Windies and had some special, counter attacking knocks. I know the latter can also be said of Khan but Miandad just edges it. Miandad > Khan > Dravid



15 test centuries away from home, 6 of them outside of the subcontinent, having scored a century against SA and the most recent double in a crucial match in England.

Sutcliffe averaged 60 his whole career.

 

[subshakerz]

I was going to say Dravid but realised it is actually closer than it seems. Here are some advantage I realised that Younis Khan has:

- While Dravid had a solid start to his career, most of his achievements stem from his golden period from 2002-2006, after which he clearly was a lesser force and inconsistent, his memorable 2011 series in England notwistanding. Younis Khan basically had a slow start from 2000 to 2004, but after his breakthrough tour of India in 2005, he has been remarkably consistent for over a decade and is still going strong.

- Younis Khan's record in 4th innings and 50s to 100s conversion rate is more impressive. There is little to choose between their away records. Both are pretty weak in SA but good everywhere else.

I still tend to give Dravid an advantage as IMO he had a tighter technique and more standout innings. But as others have said, I will wait for Younis' tour of Australia to cast a final judgement

 

[Burgey]

Why do fourth innings runs count more than others, particularly first innings runs?

 

[anil1405]

- Younis Khan's record in 4th innings and 50s to 100s conversion rate is more impressive. There is little to choose between their away records. Both are pretty weak in SA but good everywhere else.

While records say that Dravid failed to convert his 81 & 68 in Jamaica (2006) into 100's, those two innings were worth Gold. None of the other batsmen (from either side) managed to score 68 on that minefield.

 

[mr_mister]

Yeah, if he didn't hold one end up, there was no Laxman special that day. He was just as important because no one just talks of Laxman's innings where I am from, its always the 'Laxman-Dravid partnership'.

If Dravid didn't do it some other geek would have

 

[subshakerz]

While records say that Dravid failed to convert his 81 & 68 in Jamaica (2006) into 100's, those two innings were worth Gold. None of the other batsmen (from either side) managed to score 68 on that minefield.

Yes, it is because of innings like those, and his knocks in England in 2011 or in NZ in 2002 that I am inclined to give the edge to Dravid. My point was that it is closer between them than it originally seems.

 

[listento_me]

I am indebted to Shady Slim for bringing this dross to my attention.

Miandad was a serviceable to very good player for sure, which of course makes him a Pakistani ATG. Played at home on feather beds (the same ones Imran gets credit for bowling well on), and averaged 60 on those whilst averaging 16 less per dig away. Everything you posted about him applies to the TOTAB, only to the power of 1000. Plus TOTAB managed to captain his side for nigh on a decade and keep averaging over 50 without having a mutiny on his hands for being a complete ****, together with averaging 56 away from home.

Spare me this rubbish you're speaking.

TOTAB > Miandad by a big margin.

I dunno who TOTAB is, sounds like trash to me.

When Viv says he'd have you batting for his life, then you know your damn good. Only thing Border was good for was an advert for looking like an Australian farmer.

 

[listento_me]

Why do fourth innings runs count more than others, particularly first innings runs?

Because your normally chasing and Younis Khan has won a larger percentage of matches than Dravid, a lot of them thanks to his own 4th innings contributions or while batting second in general.

 

[91Jmay]

They don't count more, but it isn't unreasonable to suggest the pitch is generally harder to bat on and often more pressure chasing than 1st dig. It isn't a massive consideration for me, but it means a little bit.

 

[honestbharani]

It really depends on where you are playing though. Places like England, it is usually so much more harder to bat on Day 1 than Day 4 or 5...

 

[Howe_zat]

It really depends on where you are playing though. Places like England, it is usually so much more harder to bat on Day 1 than Day 4 or 5...

This isn't close to being true.

 

[wpdavid]

You could make a case for it but Miandad has a 270 vs hadlee in NZ a 260 vs Botham in England and then had that gun series in 88 vs Westindies Younis lacks big hundreds away from sub cont/UAE vs top sides for one reason or another.

tbf the 1987 version of Botham wasn't remotely close to the great man in his pomp, and it was an absolute feather bed of an Oval wicket.

Great batsman all the same though.