***Official*** New Zealand Domestic Season 2015/16

[Blain]

Jeet Raval would have to have the best FC record from any NZ opener to be have been overlooked for a BC's call up. Probably from any batting position.

Averaging over 43 with 13 Hundreds is good reading. The guy knows how to get big runs.

 

[Athlai]

Mythical runs.

 

[Bahnz]

Jeet Raval would have to have the best FC record from any NZ opener to be have been overlooked for a BC's call up. Probably from any batting position.

Averaging over 43 with 13 Hundreds is good reading. The guy knows how to get big runs.

Yeah, they're Eden Park Outer Oval runs - the same same sorta easy runs that allow Munro to average nearly 50 in FC cricket. On the rare occasions that Guptill returns to FC cricket, he always towers over his Auckland top order colleagues at OO - real man against boys stuff.

 

[hendrix]

Guptill towers over lower standard bowlers no matter the venue.

Think Raval should be considered.

 

[Blain]

Don't forget Colin Maiden Oval plus a year or 2 playing for CD, and playing away from home every second game...

Colin is a mid order bully, opening is the toughest job in cricket. Pretty easy to nick of early with a shiny cherry, even on a road.

Martin Guptill is hardly showing his skills at test cricket after alot of time and patience. Raval has earnt the right to be next in line surely.

Smith isn't there yet, Flynn is to old and inconsistent to be considered, Wilson is average at best, Brownlie has failed as an opener this year, a make shift opener is always a bad idea in Tests. Could always move Guppy to 5 (would get the best out of him IMO, would probably fall to the second new ball though :P), Nicholl's needs more time and Young needs to learn how to get hundy's.

Raval
Latham
Williamson
Taylor
Guptill
Anderson
Watling
Santner
Wagner
Southee
Boult

Will probably never happen. But I really do think having a rookie 5 (even by domestic standards) and keeping a talented but clearly out of depth Guptill at the top makes our batting order incredibly wobbly and vulnerable. Especially when compared to having a well earned/traveled established run making opener in Raval, and taking a bit of pressure off Guptill down the order.

 

[Zinzan]

The like was for giving Raval a chance opening the innings, not banging Guptill down the order again. Been there, done that.

People can say what they like about Raval supposedly only batting on roads, but NZ are screaming out for an opener who can actually get through the new ball. A chap averaging 43 in that position with 13 tons is more than due a chance, especially considering one of the current openers is such a failure.

See openers (minnows excluded) in the last 10 years (qual 1000s runs) by reversed average. What exactly is the risk of giving Raval a chance? Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Hurricane]

James should program your keyboard to give you an electric shock if you advocate guptil going to number 5.

Exactly how hell bent are we on including him in the team.

I think there is a case for maintaining him ( guptil) as opener a bit longer but not for shoe horning him in wherever down the order.

 

[Zinzan]

Agree about the electric shock treatment, not maintaining Guppy at the top at the cost of giving some young potentially decent test opener a crack. Has this test summer taught us nothing at all?

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Agree about the electric shock treatment, not maintaining Guppy at the top at the cost of giving some young potentially decent test opener a crack. Has this test summer taught us nothing at all?

domestic bullies who score lots of runs at colin maiden park won't go well against australia?

 

[Zinzan]

So anyone who scores runs there should never be tried? Let's stick with Guptill for the next 5 years shall we, otherwise there's far too much to lose. I get it, that would mean sacrificing someone averaging 16 in 5 tests against them.

 

[hendrix]

yeah you can't score negative runs (although Guptill certainly contributes in the field and I'm not aware if that's a strength of Raval)

 

[wellAlbidarned]

So anyone who scores runs there should never be tried? Let's stick with Guptill for the next 5 years shall we, otherwise there's far too much to lose. I get it, that would mean sacrificing someone averaging 16 in 5 tests against them.

dat straw man tho

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Guptill ****s on weak bowling attacks and is worth 10-15 runs in the field per innings being conservative. Unless Raval shows some potential to be significantly better than guptill against Eng/SA/Aus there is no point in swapping the two.

 

[Zinzan]

dat straw man tho

It's not though. Unless you were referring specifically to Guptill as the domestic Colin Maiden Park bully.

 

[Athlai]

Don't forget Colin Maiden Oval plus a year or 2 playing for CD, and playing away from home every second game...

The Jeet Raval is a myth meme is because his average away from the classic NZ roads is far lower and he struggles to get selected for a week limited overs team.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

It's not though. Unless you were referring specifically to Guptill as the domestic Colin Maiden Park bully.

ahem

So anyone who scores runs there should never be tried?

not saying that

Let's stick with Guptill for the next 5 years shall we

not saying that either

 

[hendrix]

The point was not the straw man that he put forward though.

The point was that he could potentially be better than Guptill against decent bowling attacks. It's not out of the realms of possibility and he should get a shot. Guptill's contributions are known, and known to be meagre. Raval is not going to be much better but if he's better he should be given a shot.

I respect incumbency. And I get that people want conclusive proof that the replacement will be better. But for mediocre players who are somewhat passengers at this level, and particularly when they're an absolutely known quantity, I don't think we should be too afraid to make a change.

 

[Zinzan]

Exactly, case of unknown quantity vs. known quantity, with the latter being well below test standard. Staggering to me fans wouldn't at least want try.

Based on the old saying of doing what the opposition would least like you to do, you could almost guarantee the Aussie would be smiling ear to eat at the prospect of Guptill opening up against them in a test again, given he's a walking wicket.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

that's the exact logic which leads to the revolving door policy of the 00s. Guptill is **** against good bowling, but he's a quality fielder and can score big runs against bowlers who aren't quite the same standard. Raval has shown absolutely nothing in domestic cricket to prove that he'd be anything but a slightly poorer guptill.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah replacing Guptill with Raval will just mean you give up the runs Guptill would've scored in easier conditions IMO. New Zealand aren't playing against Australia in Test cricket any time soon.

This doesn't mean Guptill should just be selected forever, but it does mean you should hold off until the replacement is someone better than Raval.