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Cricketer Of The Year
Because he's hot. And sweet. And has the snake hips.
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Mark Ramprakash
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zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
Murray Goodwin is talking out of his arse.
In matches they've played against each other over the last 5 seasons, Ramprakash's averages have been as follows:
First class: 145.17
List A: 85.25
Evidently if Murray's sledging has got under Ramps' skin, it's hardly stopped him scoring runs.
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sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Yeah fair enough, his record is decent enough, I've just never liked him for some reason.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
He's effectively an Aussie. Reason enough IMHO.
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Yeah, was potentially a top-notch Test player but a class-A knob from what I've heard.
I have seen him score far too many runs against Hampshire to ever like the man
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
People I've spoken to in the Sussex set-up say he's a top bloke.
Richard
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Some people at Somerset say Charl Willoughby's a top bloke too - but most people don't.
The point being that it takes a serious, serious ****wit to be disliked by all-and-sundry (and if they are they'll have to be a Bradman to be able to survive in a team atmosphere like cricket) and someone generally disliked will still have his advocates. I've heard plenty of people tell stories of dislike about Goodwin but he'd not have played for as long as he has if some people didn't get on well enough with him.
The point being that it takes a serious, serious ****wit to be disliked by all-and-sundry (and if they are they'll have to be a Bradman to be able to survive in a team atmosphere like cricket) and someone generally disliked will still have his advocates. I've heard plenty of people tell stories of dislike about Goodwin but he'd not have played for as long as he has if some people didn't get on well enough with him.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Ramps (& Key) to miss out at The Oval according to the BBC.
Warwickshire man under threat retains his place and another one's called up, what are the odds, eh? Must be handy having your coach as a national selector...
Warwickshire man under threat retains his place and another one's called up, what are the odds, eh? Must be handy having your coach as a national selector...
Richard
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Not sure why that's a surprise - Bell is no different now to what he was 2 Tests ago, and Trott was in the squad. I was hoping Ed Joyce might get the call, but I suppose if I was realistic Trott was probably always the more likely.
Bloody stupid that yet again Bell will bat at three though. Presume we won't be seeing him in the first-choice side for the winter, as he's not likely to do much at three.
(*Cue him playing the innings which makes the difference between victory and defeat* - I hope so, TBH, but I really rather doubt it)
Bloody stupid that yet again Bell will bat at three though. Presume we won't be seeing him in the first-choice side for the winter, as he's not likely to do much at three.
(*Cue him playing the innings which makes the difference between victory and defeat* - I hope so, TBH, but I really rather doubt it)
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Yeah my thoughts entirely, I had hoped for a Joyce/Ramprakash call up, but always knew that it was somewhat unlikely. Just hope that Trott does the job. The retention of Ian Bell is rather mystifying though, I think we can only hope that he miraculously pulls it out of the bag as you mentioned, unlikely as that may be.
Would not be suprised if Bell makes some runs, he will not make a match winning contribution but he is perfectly capable of making a decent looking 50 before getting out. I am not saying that he should be in the side but can see the logic in England retaining him.
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Yeah but surely that describes his career? Always doing just enough to introduce doubt into the 'should we drop him?' selection discussion. How many of his runs have seriously contributed to Test wins? That question when applied to him vs, say, Marcus Trescothick (who'll likely end up with an inferior record to Bell) is pretty damning.
Son Of Coco
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Yeah he's a batting apologist. Walks out with a look on his face that reads like "I'm sorry fellas, I know I'm being a nuisance here...I'll try to get out of your way as soon as possible". Then, if he makes it through the first 8-10 runs briefly looks determined before getting to around 40-50 and then realising that he's imposing terribly on the bowling side by hanging around for so long and would be best served getting out now so everyone can sleep a little easier that night.
A true gentleman it would seem.
A true gentleman it would seem.
Richard
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Of course it does. He's been moreorless exactly the same throughout it. Bell is damn good at ramming home the advantage, and not too bad at holding off, temporarily, another team getting hold of it. He's not a bad batsman. But nor is he an especially good one. However, it's a very legitimate question over whether anyone else will do any better. Clearly, in continuing to pick him, the selectors are answering that they think not.
Yes it does descrbie his career and as I said I do not think he should really be in the side but he tends to give the selectors (who do not like making changes) just enough to keep him envolved, especially with the lack of alternatives. He stopped doing that for a while after his big score against South Africa giving them no option but to drop him but I would not be all that surprised if he makes enough runs to be around for a few more years yet
tooextracool
International Coach
You think Bell will end up averaging over 44? Honestly would be very surprised if he did without fixing that conversion rate somewhat.