Jigga988
State 12th Man
i meant for the past season.You what?
Bopara's FC average: 40.82
Shah's FC average: 42.99
i meant for the past season.You what?
Bopara's FC average: 40.82
Shah's FC average: 42.99
One thing you always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always need is a [QUOTE] tag and a [/QUOTE] tag. Don't have both of these, it'll always go wrong.sorry got a bit confused with the whole quoting little bits of a text thing.
I can't say I've ever noticed any massive flaws in Cook's trigger movements. Nor, however, have I ever studied them in great detail, nor watched as someone else has done. I have always been worried by his playing around that front pad, though, as all you need to exploit this is a decent right-arm inswing bowler. Of all people, Sourav Ganguly managed it in the England-India series.I dont think these are his biggest flaws and i dont think that these effect him as adversely as his trigger movements. The way that when the ball is bowled he is practically always going back.
Key has been a run-machine though. Like Shah, he's barely stopped scoring since 2001.Firstly I dont mind Cook at all. I also dont mind the suposed "technical issues".
He has a good record at all levels, I like his compact game and, even if things are supposedly 'wrong' with his game right now, he scored 4 50s in 7 innings in his last series against a strong SA attack.
Maybe most importantly he is a young player that can make good contributions. He isnt out of his depth whilst learning the game.
I dont like Key. I dont like his temperament, I dont like his ability to handle pressure, Im not overly keen on his technique and I question his ability to step up a level.
Now, if Cook was failing left, right and centre and Key was a run machine then I could see the reasons for a callup (even if I disagreed). However, that isnt the case. It just isnt that cut and dried.
Lol, well what are the physio's for?. Sidebottom unlike Freddie & Jones isn't really that much of walking crock, so once he recovers i don't expect him to be breaking down.You'd need Samit Patel at 6 if you were to do that. Can't have four pacemen without any backup, what if Freddie's ankle or Sidebottom's back goes?
There are 2 Tests in India and then England go to WI after Christmas.
So the question is, how bad does Panesar have to bowl or/and how well does Swann have to bowl in India for Swann to be the number 1 spinner for the WI tour?
I cant see it happening but maybe others can.
I'm very surprised to see Panesar being considered as a Test match option, but donkeys and declaration slogs keep boosting his figures whilst his effective contribution is terrible.Lol, well what are the physio's for?. Sidebottom unlike Freddie & Jones isn't really that much of walking crock, so once he recovers i don't expect him to be breaking down.
At the end of the day Flintoff isn't good enough to be batting @ 6 just ATM. I'd probably consider though with Fred @ 7, 2 quicks & monty (even though i have been disappointed with his progress.
Patel?. Very surprised to see him actually being considered as a test match option.
Samit Patel should only be selected if he is considered to be one of the six best batsmen in the country, which imo he currently is not. His bowling is innocuous and it would not be fair on him to be selected with any kind of emphasis on his bowling. Yes it is handy part-time, no better.As I've been saying all along most of the time England should pick Patel and their 4 best seamers. On the other decks bring Swann in. Panesar can go and rot in County Cricket.
Fair enough, but if that's the case, you can't play four seamers which is what aussie was suggesting.Samit Patel should only be selected if he is considered to be one of the six best batsmen in the country, which imo he currently is not. His bowling is innocuous and it would not be fair on him to be selected with any kind of emphasis on his bowling. Yes it is handy part-time, no better.
Why can you not play 4 seamers ?Fair enough, but if that's the case, you can't play four seamers which is what aussie was suggesting.
How do you know whether he's one of the best 6 or not? He's got a very good FC record with the bat and apart from KP our batting is pretty average.Samit Patel should only be selected if he is considered to be one of the six best batsmen in the country, which imo he currently is not. His bowling is innocuous and it would not be fair on him to be selected with any kind of emphasis on his bowling. Yes it is handy part-time, no better.
Because one can so easily break down. Even if it's only for a session, you could end up with an extended spell from Paul Collingwood or the like. With the added pressure of having to bowl a quarter of the team's overs (more if one of the others bowls badly), an injury is a lot more likely.Why can you not play 4 seamers ?
Indians would be licking with anticipation to see a parttimer spinner in operation at Mohali.How do you know whether he's one of the best 6 or not? He's got a very good FC record with the bat and apart from KP our batting is pretty average.
Patel would come in for a spin bowler, so he doesn't even need to oust someone rubbish like Ian Bell. England need to face up to the reality that their spinners are average and are not going to do anything other than chip in occasionally. Their best chance is to go with their 4 best seamers and have some depth in batting to compensate for the lack of quality, Patel allows them to do this.
Yeah, Panesar's problem has always been exactly that- no flight, no variation. I think he still has a lot of scope for improvement as a bowler, but it's disappointing that he hasn't seemed to get even slightly better since his debut. He already has the advantage of putting more rotations on the ball than some leg-spinners, if he could toss them up, throw in a few arm-balls and change his pace he'd be far more effective. Would be good if he could learn to bat and/or field, too.To be fair to him, Panesar tried as much as he can today. He managed to pitch many of his deliveries in the rough, whereupon it spat and jumped. However he picked the wrong guy to use that tactic. Tendulkar was never walking into that trap, and whenever the ball was pitched up a bit, he employed the paddle sweep.
However it is beyond me why he didn't use the rough against Yuvraj Singh. Maybe it's that he never got to bowl at Yuvraj for a length of time, as the fields were spread and allowed the batsmen to rotate strike. However he was guilty of pitching it short enough for the batsmen to play it super-late. He would do well to learn that in the subcontinent less speed, more loop and more pitching up would get him rewards than the fastish good length which Bracken would be proud of.
It's not for me to decide if he is one of the six best batsmen in the country, as I don't get paid to make such a decision, I only have an opinion. My opinion is that at the moment I would back six other batsmen ahead of him to be more successful in Test cricket.How do you know whether he's one of the best 6 or not? He's got a very good FC record with the bat and apart from KP our batting is pretty average.
Patel would come in for a spin bowler, so he doesn't even need to oust someone rubbish like Ian Bell. England need to face up to the reality that their spinners are average and are not going to do anything other than chip in occasionally. Their best chance is to go with their 4 best seamers and have some depth in batting to compensate for the lack of quality, Patel allows them to do this.
Yep. I think he needs some "good" guidance. England would do well to get Mr. Bedi involved here. He is lacking professional guidance for long and is harsh on him to be expected to be the complete spinner at his age, without any mentoring. He is certainly no Warne or Murali to make his dough just on his inherent talent.Yeah, Panesar's problem has always been exactly that- no flight, no variation. I think he still has a lot of scope for improvement as a bowler, but it's disappointing that he hasn't seemed to get even slightly better since his debut. He already has the advantage of putting more rotations on the ball than some leg-spinners, if he could toss them up, throw in a few arm-balls and change his pace he'd be far more effective. Would be good if he could learn to bat and/or field, too.
Someone on the Guardian lambasted the ECB for exactly this. They shelled out on getting all sorts of pace bowling experts like Cooley for instance to ensure the English pace attack was up to step with all the tricks in the book but it seems that they are quite willing to allow fingerspinners like Monty to mark time whilst the swoon over the likes of Rashid, who for all we know could end up a batsman with fairly useful spin rather than the English Warne the ECB wants.Yeah, Panesar's problem has always been exactly that- no flight, no variation. I think he still has a lot of scope for improvement as a bowler, but it's disappointing that he hasn't seemed to get even slightly better since his debut. He already has the advantage of putting more rotations on the ball than some leg-spinners, if he could toss them up, throw in a few arm-balls and change his pace he'd be far more effective. Would be good if he could learn to bat and/or field, too.