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[BoyBrumby]

Ah-ha. I was looking for this post during the P-A-K-I debate. (apologies for filter avoidance)

Its interesting to see a supposed liberal (awkward sounding phrase but you get my meaning) using a term that causes terrible offence in the US on the few occasions it is ever used.

I myself dont use it now and find it very offensive. Not that it plays into my judgement of people, just that I ask it not to be used around me. I know the term is in common usage but it is very disespectful to use a feature of an ethnicity diferent to your own to describe a part of your penis

The first time I ever used the term in the States I was nearly lynched and Ive never used it again.

I could conclude you are a horrible racist but Im not stupid like others are when they misconstrue the usage of certain terms.

You know what it means, right? It's in general usage to such an extent that I don't even know what the correct term is.

 

[Goughy]

You know what it means, right? It's in general usage to such an extent that I don't even know what the correct term is.

Of course I do. And the general usage argument absolves you and only makes the terms you want as insulting? In fact the general usage argument shows how the taboo of certain terms and not others is far more to do with fashion than serious concern regarding actual insult, which is why it is so hard to take such people seriously.

I find it laughable that people can judge and deride people as racist for using one word and then call the meatus (opening to the urethra) a 'Japs Eye'.

I see the logic, "Oh the hole in my **** is a slit, you know what else is a slit? A Japs Eye. Ok lets call the hole in our ****s a Japs eye". But c'mon its horribly offensive and demeaning.

Now what is the point to all this? Well its more based on the fact that I dont like outrage and judgement of a person based on their usage of certain words. I dont dislike you for using the word, I just dislike your usage of the word. Same as other words. Ive travelled around the World enough to realise that to get insulted by a term and use that to judge a persons overall character is foolhardy.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

I find few words insulting these days, which often means that my language is found to be somewhat offensive to some work collegues. Especially when I launched my campaign for correct usage of the word "****" at work. The word has a proper meaning, you know people!

The real problem with swear words is that one man's swear word is another man's common word. I've used this example before, but its one that bears repeating. The word "coon", whilst deeply offensive in many places, is a popular brand of Cheese in Australia and no one has yet managed to get the company to change their name. I don't even know if anyone has tried.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Of course I do. And the general usage argument absolves you and only makes the terms you want as insulting? In fact the general usage argument shows how the taboo of certain terms and not others is far more to do with fashion than serious concern regarding actual insult, which is why it is so hard to take such people seriously.

I find it laughable that people can judge and deride people as racist for using one word and then call the meatus (opening to the urethra) a 'Japs Eye'.

I see the logic, "Oh the hole in my **** is a slit, you know what else is a slit? A Japs Eye. Ok lets call the hole in our ****s a Japs eye". But c'mon its horribly offensive and demeaning.

Now what is the point to all this? Well its more based on the fact that I dont like outrage and judgement of a person based on their usage of certain words. I dont dislike you for using the word, I just dislike your usage of the word. Same as other words. Ive travelled around the World enough to realise that to get insulted by a term and use that to judge a persons overall character is foolhardy.

Seriously, what the ****?

Firstly, I've never judged or derided anyone as racist for using the P-word (& actually resent the implication), merely pointed out that it is very offensive in the UK and I think it's safer not to use it, even if it isn't considered offensive elsewhere; secondly I made that post a long time after any so-called "P-A-K-I debate". Check the date, it was made on the 9th of this month, so I fail to see how you could've been looking for something that didn't exist.

If anyone was offended I apologise, obviously.

 

[Goughy]

Check the date, it was made on the 9th of this month, so I fail to see how you could've been looking for something that didn't exist..

That is likely to be true. A few weeks ago was looking for a 'japs eye' post you made a while ago and assumed this was the one. I couldnt find it at the time, hence when I saw this I used this instance. Maybe you didnt make the orginal post I was looking for (as I couldnt find it) and I had mistakenly attributed it to you.

EDIT Actually could have been this one

After inspection of the unfortunate organ the doctor pulls out a syringe, not of penicillin as you might think, but of local anaesthetic. After Jim's groin is comfortably numb the doc inserts a pair of tweezers into his Jap's eye & removes a whole piece of sweetcorn!!

or this one

It's been toned down over the years, but Connery's Bond definitely had a sadistic streak in him. IIRC at the beginning of Diamonds are Forever (the worst Connery Bond, FWIW, but stick with me) he holds someone's head under water to extract information regarding his wife's killer. It may not be bamboo down the jap's eye, but I'd reckon it's a clear breach of the Geneva convention.

 

[BoyBrumby]

That is likely to be true. A few weeks ago was looking for a 'japs eye' post you made a while ago and assumed this was the one. I couldnt find it at the time, hence when I saw this I used this instance. Maybe you didnt make the orginal post I was looking for (as I couldnt find it) and I had mistakenly attributed it to you.

Fair enough then.

&, as this was the sum total of my contribution the the p-word debate I don't think I could be said to have derided anyone.

 

[BoyBrumby]

EDIT Actually could have been this one


or this one

Both predate your presence so it's unlikely, unless you actually set out to look for instances.

 

[Goughy]

Fair enough then.

&, as this was the sum total of my contribution the the p-word debate I don't think I could be said to have derided anyone.

Loathe as I am to agree with a T*ttenham fan, but it's the same here. Anyone who uses it is invariably a racist turd.

Are you serious? So someone that uses a word you dont like can be categorised as a "racist turd". You get to judge an entire person on one aspect you dont like and are able to disparage them as a bad person. Yet are then free to pick and choose insensitive and insulting expressions of your own.

As I said, I dont like the usage but never use it as a shortcut to assume I know what that person is like. Otherwise I could freely assume you are a "racist turd" given my implications of your useage.

I dont do that as its a lazy and dangerous game to play. That is my point. You cant extrapolate one sentance and assume to know the person.

 

[Matteh]

Use of the word invariably creates an impression that not necessarily everyone that uses that word is seen as a racist turd, but in Brumby's experience it has often been the case that they are.

 

[Goughy]

Both predate your presence so it's unlikely, unless you actually set out to look for instances.

Or read threads

 

[BoyBrumby]

Are you serious? So somone that uses a word you dont like can be categorised as a "racist turd". You get to judge an entire person on one aspect you dont like and are able to disparage them as a bad person. Yet are then free to pick and choose insensitive and insulting expressions of your own.

As I said, I dont like the usage but never use it as a shortcut to assume I know what that person is like. Otherwise I could freely assume you are a "racist turd" given my implications of your useage.

I dont do that as its a lazy and dangerous game to play.

Perfectly serious. "Here" as in East Cambridgeshire. Anyone I've heard using it here has used it in a racial context.

Moreover, you're clever enough to know that your outcome isn't supported by my statement too. By saying "Anyone who uses it is invariably a racist turd" I not saying that the usage of it makes them a racist, rather that there's a correlation between its use and a general tendancy towards racism. & my description of them as "turds" seems a pretty mild epiphet for racists. What are you asking for? More tolerance for bigots?

I'll ask you the question then, since you're setting yourself up as the moral arbiter here: if you hear a white English person using the word what would you think? Great bloke?

 

[Langeveldt]

Ah-ha. I was looking for this post during the P-A-K-I debate. (apologies for filter avoidance)

Its interesting to see a supposed liberal (awkward sounding phrase but you get my meaning) using a term that causes terrible offence in the US on the few occasions it is ever used.

I myself dont use it now and find it very offensive. Not that it plays into my judgement of people, just that I ask it not to be used around me. I know the term is in common usage but it is very disespectful to use a feature of an ethnicity diferent to your own to describe a part of your penis

The first time I ever used the term in the States I was nearly lynched and Ive never used it again.

I could conclude you are a horrible racist but Im not stupid like others are when they misconstrue the usage of certain terms.

Lolled at that.. What are we going to do about them?

 

[Goughy]

I'll ask you the question then, since you're setting yourself up as the moral arbiter here: if you hear a white English person using the word what would you think? Great bloke?

Generally I would think that they were a little rough around the edges, unsophisticated and not caught up with the fashion of speach accepted by certain groups.

9 times out of 10 I hear it is an uncouth but certainly not racist way ie "Im going to get some milk from the **** shop", or "Give your **** mate a ring" etc. Not nice to the ears of some but purely descriptive and with no malice.

Nothing as insulting as claiming to be a force against bigotry and then using a part of an Asian persons face as a name for the slit in your ****.

I cringe at racism and certain terms (including ****), which I why I ask people not to repeat things around me, but I take the usage as what I dont like rather than disliking the person.

Dealing with people of all races from all over, there wouldnt be anyone to speak to if I branded all people as "turds" if they spoke or said something that insulted me. There must always be further context.

ie the only time I have done damage to someone for abuse to my wife was when a beggar approached me and asked for money "as the chinky bitch hadnt given him any". Now I dont suppose to assume he was a bad person, he just made an unfortunate comment. Given its aggressive context he also paid the price.

Im not claiming any moral highground as I dont really care what terms people use. Some will make me cringe but as long as we sort out what we both find acceptable then we move on. What Im asking for is some consistency from people that have this outrage and brand people with potentially life changing monikers and then do similar themselves (though it doesnt count as the minority is smaller and it isnt a term fashionable to be offended by).

Im sorry if it sounds like Im going after you. Ive no real intention to, it just struck me as selective reasoning that a guy strict on this type of behaviour and believes uttering the word **** makes someone a "racist turd" that they would use a non complementary racial word to describe what you did.

As I said. I dont think you are a racist turd but thats beause a dont like the usage and can judge the rest of you without having it dominate my opinion of you as a person.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

The real problem with swear words is that one man's swear word is another man's common word. I've used this example before, but its one that bears repeating. The word "coon", whilst deeply offensive in many places, is a popular brand of Cheese in Australia and no one has yet managed to get the company to change their name. I don't even know if anyone has tried.

Coon is still generally offensive to the aboriginal community here.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Coon is still generally offensive to the aboriginal community here.

The word, or the cheese?

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

The word. Not being of aboriginal descent I'm not sure on their thoughts on the company as a whole but if you went up to an aboriginal bloke and called him a 'coon' you'd likely end up in hospital, and fair enough too.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

The word. Not being of aboriginal descent I'm not sure on their thoughts on the company as a whole but if you went up to an aboriginal bloke and called him a 'coon' you'd likely end up in hospital, and fair enough too.

Quite. This is why I find their claim that, "Australians don't say cheese, they say coon" somewhat misleading.

I can't imagine a club cricket team having their annual team photo and the photographer going, "Say coon!" without getting at least a few funny looks.

Obviously, the Political Correctness brigade isn't as strong in Australia as I thought, otherwise they'd have had to change their name before now. After all, that marmalade company in the UK stopped using the gollywog as their logo due to the racist connotations.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Im sorry if it sounds like Im going after you. Ive no real intention to, it just struck me as selective reasoning that a guy strict on this type of behaviour and believes uttering the word **** makes someone a "racist turd" that they would use a non complementary racial word to describe what you did.

As I said. I dont think you are a racist turd but thats beause a dont like the usage and can judge the rest of you without having it dominate my opinion of you as a person.

Ok, once again (as I boldly stated in my previous post, in fact) I don't think using the p-word necessarily makes someone a racist (and clearly not at all in a non-English context) or I would've said that. I said people who use it invariably are in my experience of the part of England where I live. It isn't a word that's used lightly (happily) so I've heard it used by white pople in places like Indian restuarants to denegrate the waiting staff.

& you're right, it does seem like cheap point scoring, frankly. If you're equating the use of the phrase "jap's eye" with using the p-word then you're just flat-out wrong; one might be seem as lazily racial by the more sensitive, the other is used in the UK pretty much exclusively as a racial slur. I won't use the expression again, however & reiterate my apology to anyone who was offended.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Goughy not a fan of the Vapors tune, Turning Japanese either?

 

[pasag]

Quite. This is why I find their claim that, "Australians don't say cheese, they say coon" somewhat misleading.

I can't imagine a club cricket team having their annual team photo and the photographer going, "Say coon!" without getting at least a few funny looks.

Obviously, the Political Correctness brigade isn't as strong in Australia as I thought, otherwise they'd have had to change their name before now. After all, that marmalade company in the UK stopped using the gollywog as their logo due to the racist connotations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coon_cheese

I do find cheese offensive though, tbf.