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The REAL allrounders Poll

The real best allrounder

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C_C

C_C

International Captain
Richard said:
Chest one onto the stumps?
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You gotto be fine with the pace of the ball to do that. You cannot do something to the ball while batting when your reaction time is too slow - regardless of what it is.
 
Johnners

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
C_C said:
Its pretty hard to even 'throw' your wicket away when you cant connect with the ball because you'r too slow.
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handle the ball, walk on your stumps, run yourself out... not hard at all if you thought about it
 
adharcric

adharcric

International Coach
Seriously guys, get over it. He was humiliated from a cricketing viewpoint but he was courageous in staying at the crease and fighting it out. Right? :unsure:
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Nope.

He was completely and utterly humiliated from every POV you could possibly wish to think of and nothing but that is good enough.

8-)
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
adharcric said:
Does anyone actually rate Kapil or Hadlee as the greatest all-rounder of all-time?
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Sanz said:
Yes there are many. I personally would put Kapil ahead of Imran.
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adharcric said:
Wow.
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Such people know absolutely nothing about what makes a good all-rounder then. Beats me how Hadlee's even considered an all-rounder - he was patently a top-class bowler who also happened to be a reasonable lower-order bat. Nothing more.

Kapil, meanwhile, was a good all-rounder for a long time - and only exceptionally rarely a very good one. That's different to Botham and Imran who were both crap for a time and magnificent for a time. With Imran, it's not even that simple.
 
Lillian Thomson

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Sanz said:
Clarification - I dont expect a mature post from a cricket illiterate who starts a thread/poll on real allrounders and leaves Allrounders like Hadlee and Kapil out of the poll.

What next - start a thread on real fast bowlers and exclude Amby and Marshall out of it and instead include Frank Tyson and Soaib Akhtar ?
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The idea is not to put in everyone who's ever scored a run and taken a wicket, the four in this poll are clearly considered to be the top four as opposed to the other thread which included Hadlee and Kapil Dev as the greatest allrounders ever but didn't include Sobers or Miller. You could at a stretch possibly argue a case for Kapil but anyone who thinks that Richard Hadlee is the greatest allrounder of all time would be considered universally illiterate, never mind cricket.
 
The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Agreed - both superb cricketers, but I've never considered Hadlee as "genuine" an all rounder as the others, rather an all-time great bowler who was also a valuable no.7-8 batsman. I know it's been debated somewhere else, but I don't think Hadlee would have made the NZ Test side purely as a batsman if he was unable to bowl.

I think we got the right 4 in this poll, in whatever order we choose to rank them.
 
The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Sanz said:
And Imran would have made into Pakistan team based on his batting alone ?
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Not only would but did. During the mid-80s Imran was unable to bowl due to his knee injuries, and played for Pakistan as a specialist batsman. Bowling was obviously the stronger part of his game, but he was unquestionably a Test-class batsman in his own right.
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
The Sean said:
Not only would but did. During the mid-80s Imran was unable to bowl due to his knee injuries, and played for Pakistan as a specialist batsman. Bowling was obviously the stronger part of his game, but he was unquestionably a Test-class batsman in his own right.
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I meant in the beginning of his career. Imran averaged in low 20s for majority of his career. And If it were only for his batting he wouldn't have been picked to play for Pakistan whgereas Kapil, Botham, Sobers, Miller could have been picked on the basis of their batting alone. And the series you talk about - Imran was picked as captain.

Imran wasn't a test class batsman in the first 10-12 years of his career, he developed into one in last 7-8 years.
 
The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Sanz said:
I meant in the beginning of his career. Imran averaged in low 20s for majority of his career. And If it were only for his batting he wouldn't have been picked to play for Pakistan whgereas Kapil, Botham, Sobers, Miller could have been picked on the basis of their batting alone. And the series you talk about - Imran was picked as captain.

Imran wasn't a test class batsman in the first 10-12 years of his career, he developed into one in last 7-8 years.
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No argument there mate - we all know he developed as a batsman as he went on. Yes, throughout the 1970s he averaged in the low-mid 20s, but in the 1980s he averaged a lot more, eventually increasing it to nearly 40. As many have stated on here, over his last 51 Tests (10 years cricket) he averaged 50 with the bat.

Perhaps I should have clarified my first statement to say that he unquestionably developed into a Test class batsman in his own right. But there was no timeframe mentioned - your argument was simply that you said he couldn't have made the Test team on his batting alone, I said he could and did.

Anyway, hope we cleared that up. :)
 
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