Sanz
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Yes there are many. I personally would put Kapil ahead of Imran.Does anyone actually rate Kapil or Hadlee as the greatest all-rounder of all-time?
Yes there are many. I personally would put Kapil ahead of Imran.Does anyone actually rate Kapil or Hadlee as the greatest all-rounder of all-time?
You gotto be fine with the pace of the ball to do that. You cannot do something to the ball while batting when your reaction time is too slow - regardless of what it is.Chest one onto the stumps?
handle the ball, walk on your stumps, run yourself out... not hard at all if you thought about itIts pretty hard to even 'throw' your wicket away when you cant connect with the ball because you'r too slow.
Does anyone actually rate Kapil or Hadlee as the greatest all-rounder of all-time?
Yes there are many. I personally would put Kapil ahead of Imran.
Such people know absolutely nothing about what makes a good all-rounder then. Beats me how Hadlee's even considered an all-rounder - he was patently a top-class bowler who also happened to be a reasonable lower-order bat. Nothing more.Wow.
Clarification - I dont expect a mature post from a cricket illiterate who starts a thread/poll on real allrounders and leaves Allrounders like Hadlee and Kapil out of the poll.
What next - start a thread on real fast bowlers and exclude Amby and Marshall out of it and instead include Frank Tyson and Soaib Akhtar ?
Maybe not all time, but I would rate Dev in front of Hadlee as an A/RDoes anyone actually rate Kapil or Hadlee as the greatest all-rounder of all-time?
Well yeah, most people probably would. Rating either of them as the greatest all-rounder ever is plain ridiculous though.Maybe not all time, but I would rate Dev in front of Hadlee as an A/R
Chest one onto the stumps?
And Imran would have made into Pakistan team based on his batting alone ?I don't think Hadlee would have made the NZ Test side purely as a batsman if he was unable to bowl...
And Rating anyone bar Gary Sobers as the greatest allrounder ever is ridiculous.Well yeah, most people probably would. Rating either of them as the greatest all-rounder ever is plain ridiculous though.
Not only would but did. During the mid-80s Imran was unable to bowl due to his knee injuries, and played for Pakistan as a specialist batsman. Bowling was obviously the stronger part of his game, but he was unquestionably a Test-class batsman in his own right.And Imran would have made into Pakistan team based on his batting alone ?
I meant in the beginning of his career. Imran averaged in low 20s for majority of his career. And If it were only for his batting he wouldn't have been picked to play for Pakistan whgereas Kapil, Botham, Sobers, Miller could have been picked on the basis of their batting alone. And the series you talk about - Imran was picked as captain.Not only would but did. During the mid-80s Imran was unable to bowl due to his knee injuries, and played for Pakistan as a specialist batsman. Bowling was obviously the stronger part of his game, but he was unquestionably a Test-class batsman in his own right.
No argument there mate - we all know he developed as a batsman as he went on. Yes, throughout the 1970s he averaged in the low-mid 20s, but in the 1980s he averaged a lot more, eventually increasing it to nearly 40. As many have stated on here, over his last 51 Tests (10 years cricket) he averaged 50 with the bat.I meant in the beginning of his career. Imran averaged in low 20s for majority of his career. And If it were only for his batting he wouldn't have been picked to play for Pakistan whgereas Kapil, Botham, Sobers, Miller could have been picked on the basis of their batting alone. And the series you talk about - Imran was picked as captain.
Imran wasn't a test class batsman in the first 10-12 years of his career, he developed into one in last 7-8 years.