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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Depends how you feel about their club performances. Admittedly injuries haven't helped with Ox though.
    Yeah but nonetheless - I think 21 or so is too young to be written off as having not pushed on

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    Definitely Rooney. To say he didn't have the potential to be a great just because he's a different player to Messi or Ronaldo is rubbish.

    He could actually run at people and shoot effectively with either foot from outside the box in the early 2000s. He was strong, not great pace but enough to go past defenders. France's defence couldn't handle him in 2004. When has he ever done that since? His slow motion run in the FA Cup a couple of months ago is about it. He became more of a finisher and lost the ability to terrorise defences.

    Ronaldo and Bale both developed to be great in the air, they developed their ball striking - long range and free kicks. No reason Rooney couldn't have done those things. Instead his first touch has remained atrocious, he's got slower and slower, his long range shooting next to nonexistent now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    Definitely Rooney. To say he didn't have the potential to be a great just because he's a different player to Messi or Ronaldo is rubbish.

    He could actually run at people and shoot effectively with either foot from outside the box in the early 2000s. He was strong, not great pace but enough to go past defenders. France's defence couldn't handle him in 2004. When has he ever done that since? His slow motion run in the FA Cup a couple of months ago is about it. He became more of a finisher and lost the ability to terrorise defences.

    Ronaldo and Bale both developed to be great in the air, they developed their ball striking - long range and free kicks. No reason Rooney couldn't have done those things. Instead his first touch has remained atrocious, he's got slower and slower, his long range shooting next to nonexistent now.
    I'm goig to split hairs and say Ronaldo's heading ability was already mostly developed even when he was coming out of his teens (See the Carling Cup Final header against Cardiff City). His being used as a winger in The United system just minimized his opportunities to deploy it on a regular basis
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    I distinctly remember Rooney being talked of in the same bracket Messi and Ronald in the mid 00s which seems laughable now. He actually probably was ahead of Ronaldo at one stage; Rooney seemed to peak early (and in a Manchester shirt) then just go backwards to a basically incredibly average player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    Definitely Rooney. To say he didn't have the potential to be a great just because he's a different player to Messi or Ronaldo is rubbish.

    He could actually run at people and shoot effectively with either foot from outside the box in the early 2000s. He was strong, not great pace but enough to go past defenders. France's defence couldn't handle him in 2004. When has he ever done that since? His slow motion run in the FA Cup a couple of months ago is about it. He became more of a finisher and lost the ability to terrorise defences.

    Ronaldo and Bale both developed to be great in the air, they developed their ball striking - long range and free kicks. No reason Rooney couldn't have done those things. Instead his first touch has remained atrocious, he's got slower and slower, his long range shooting next to nonexistent now.
    2004 Rooney was absolutely unreal. One of the most exciting young talents I've ever seen, he had everything. Felt like something was going to happen everytime he picked the ball up.

    Ravel Morrison has to be included here. Everyone that's managed him says he's one of the most naturally gifted talents they've seen, yet constant off the field issues and lack of professionalism have plagued him wherever he's been. Such a shame.
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    Think Stones is holding his hand up now. Really looked the business for the Toffees at the tail end of 15/16, like a Rio Ferdinand with actual spatial awareness, but seems really pedestrian just now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Think Stones is holding his hand up now. Really looked the business for the Toffees at the tail end of 15/16, like a Rio Ferdinand with actual spatial awareness, but seems really pedestrian just now.
    TBH I'd have said the literal opposite. I think 15/16 was probably his worst season, in and out of one of the league's worst defences, whereas this season's he's looked quite good (as opposed to just "clearly has potential") for the first time.

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    Been an Arsenal fan my whole life, and when Wenger signed Walcott I honestly thought we had another Henry on our hands. Oh how wrong I was. He literally just had pace. I say "had" because I don't think he even has that going for him now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Out of a passing discussion in one of the euros threads; English players who were highly rated in their teens and/or early twenties, but have signally failed to develop.

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    Pretty much every English player since Shearer.

    Edit: ah damn, beaten to it by Burge, sort of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahseph View Post
    Been an Arsenal fan my whole life, and when Wenger signed Walcott I honestly thought we had another Henry on our hands. Oh how wrong I was. He literally just had pace. I say "had" because I don't think he even has that going for him now.
    Why on earth would you have thought that?

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    Harry Kane just does not fit does he? Never really hyped but has pushed on and on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    Why on earth would you have thought that?
    His goal in the 2006 (?) League Cup Final was pure Henry.
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