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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    I think even in Martin's potential absence Sodhi and Anderson may live or die together, since imo it's a huge risk to play a wrist spinner as raw as Sodhi in a four man attack.
    Yes and this holds in the future too. Even moreso, if Sodhi is left out for a four-paceman attack then Anderson's bowling (as fifth paceman) is no longer valuable to the side and he must justify a place purely as a batsman.

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    Whats the update on Vettori? Is he still injured?

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    yep.
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    Well yeah Tendy is probably better than Bradman, but Bradman was 70 years ago, if he grew up in the modern era he'd still easily be the best. Though he wasn't, can understand the argument for Tendy even though I don't agree.
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    Wow that's a long time..what's the injury?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Warrior View Post
    Wow that's a long time..what's the injury?
    Achilles tendon injury.

    Back in july they said he would be sidelined for at least 6 months. So January at earliest for him.
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    Proudly against the bring back Bennett movement since he is injury prone and won't last 5 days.

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    Will Vettori actually make a proper comeback or will he bowl well in an ODI or 2, field like an old man and then be off again?
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    Even for Vettori you'd presume there's a certain nursery freshness to the thought of a World Cup at home. Sounds like he wouldn't have had the operation otherwise.

    Cricket | Vettori has Achilles surgery to prolong... | Stuff.co.nz


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    Wasn't sure I'd be amongst friends on that Watling opinion, there you go. Crazy if so, Watling has saved the bacon of Hesson and Wright before him on more than one occasion. He's exactly the sort of cricketer we require - good team man, will work hard until the day he hangs up his gloves and pads, sells his wicket dearly etc etc. Can't imagine how that wouldn't appeal to any coach
    Just the lack of a back-foot game probably. Hesson a couple of times on the Ronchi pick for the Champions Trophy, "plays off both feet".

    Hesson had no interest in nuance. He asked the class why there's always been conflict in the Middle East and Kippax raised his hand and said, "It's a centuries-old religious conflict involving land and suspicion and culture. "Wrong," Hesson said. "It's because it's incredibly hot and there's no water.
    They also hadn't paired up the appropriate turf science with their cricketers' prevailing skill sets, didn't investigate the brand of cricket balls they would be using on tour, and lacked Merlyn spin bowling machines.
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    NZ all time Test Bowling away from home: (by average, min 1000 balls)
    Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

    Of current players:
    Boult 6th, Southee 10th, Vettori 17th ( 2 are absent for this tour, so some slack for Hesson and McCullum there – although main reason to cut some slack is Bangladesh look quite good now, at home)

    Bracewell has only played 4 tests at home and 13 away.

    Very small sample size, so probably not significant – but Wagner’s away average compared to home average is almost 20 runs higher ..... and I think we can put a lot of that down to who he played, and what stage of his career.
    (Historical fun fact - Hadlee had a better away record than home record)



    NZ all time Test Batting away from home (by average, min 10 innings)
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    Taylor 13th (but significantly worse than his career or home average), Brownlie 20th.
    Last edited by Immenso; 15-10-2013 at 05:35 PM.

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    NZ all time Test Bowling in Asia: (by average, min 750 balls – reduced to 750 to get Bout and Bracewell within the criteria)
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    Again Southee, Boult, Vettori compare very well (I know Vettori’s Asia stats are bumped by his previous Bangladesh series)

    NZ all time Test Batting in Asia:
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    Ryder 3rd, Williamson 5th, McCullum 9th, Taylor 11th

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immenso View Post
    NZ all time Test Batting away from home (by average, min 10 innings)
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    Taylor 13th (but significantly worse than his career or home average), Brownlie 20th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immenso View Post
    NZ all time Test Bowling away from home: (by average, min 1000 balls)
    Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

    Of current players:
    Boult 6th, Southee 10th, Vettori 17th ( 2 are absent for this tour, so some slack for Hesson and McCullum there – although main reason to cut some slack is Bangladesh look quite good now, at home)
    Man Bruce Taylor was outstanding. Never quite gets the credit he deserves, IMO.

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    So our best touring XI?


    1. B Sutcliffe
    2. G Turner
    3. S Fleming
    4. M Crowe
    5. M Donnelly
    6. B McCullum+
    7. R Hadlee
    8. D Vettori
    9. B Taylor
    10. S Bond
    11. J Cowie

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Ed_ View Post
    Man Bruce Taylor was outstanding. Never quite gets the credit he deserves, IMO.
    Good point. 80 of his 111 test wickets were away from home!

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    Instead of wasting a slot on a specialist spinner when J.R. Reid is in the team I select Bruce Taylor for my New Zealand all time side every time.

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    I wonder how many of our current test/first-class players will push for a spot in our all-time test XI one day. Taylor's already in the discussion for a middle-order spot. Williamson perhaps.



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