silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Without any warnings - first ball of the game? What's a ind vs aus series without a bit of on field controversy? I'm all for it btw, but would be a **** show right about now if he had appealed.
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***Official*** Australia in India 2012/13
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Spikey
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he played 3 tests
Biryani Pillow
U19 Vice-Captain
I've had the question raised in serious Club cricket:
"It happened in the Test Ump?"
"Doesn't happen in this League though!"
Is the usual reply.
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Johnson has 200 test wickets in 50 tests and not all were flukes
Little Sri Lanka have Sanga and Mahela, both of whom are better than anyone in India's lineup (apologies to Tendy2013)
Please dont reply as I have had my fill of dumb-arse answers for the week
Prince EWS
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So we're crowning him the best bowler of the summer based on one wicket then?
Because he didn't dismiss Jayawardene at all and only dismissed Sanga once - for 58, off a top edge.
40.3 139.4 kph, top class catch by Wade! That's Johnson's 200th Test wicket! Johnson bowls it back of a length on the body and Sanga gets a top edge on the pull, the ball sails over the wicketkeeper and Wade himself does the honours, sprints around 35-40 meters towards the boundary and times his jump well. Keeps his eyes on the ball all the time.
Slim pickings if that ball can get you the crown.
Of course, just analysing someone's wicket-taking balls is pretty faulty, but if we look at how he bowled in general we definitely won't come to the conclusion you did. That's all you've got.
So which Australian bowlers was better?
Definite "NO"
Pattinson
Hilfenhaus
Hastings
Lyon
Watson
Maybe Equal
Siddle - good figures against SL but really only bowled well in patches, not great against SA + no ODIs
Bird - 2 tests against SL where not appreciably better than Johnson + no ODIs
Arguably Better
Starc - good figures but bowled a lot of **** at the WACA
So that's it
You have one bowler that was arguably better
Given that, it's fair to say that Johnson was "arguably" the best bowler
BTW, forget about wickets for a second, Johnson completely destroyed the Lankans in the second test and finished off their test series in the process
92 not out, 6 wickets, run out, 2 guys (including Sanga) put in hospital, MOM
Everyone knows that I'm no lover of Johnson but downplaying his achievements last summer is completely unfair
Furball
Evil Scotsman
You're having a laugh aren't you?
tooextracool
International Coach
The irony is that his record is almost identical to Steve Harmison and I think that it is almost unanimous that Harmison should have been dumped well before he actually was. And quite frankly, with all due respect to Johnson, at least Harmison had some potential.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Loads of Aussies had it level or marginal one way or another.
Did you actually watch the matches?
No, I didnt think so
Bird took 11 @ 16
Johnson took 9 @ 19, put 2 in hospital plus averaged 100 with the bat
He also plays ODIs and is one of the best bowlers in the world in that format
Bird is lucky to play Ryobi Cup for Tasmania
As I have said many times, I do not want Johnson anywhere near the team and particularly against England
But those who think he always bowls rubbish simply do not know what they are talking about
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
In effect, India has now won back the Border Gavaskar Trophy with yesterday's batting performance, right?
Classic
Johnson is better in every single category that Harmison (wickets per match, average, economy, s/r) plus he can bat and field
You guys need to get a grip
akilana
International 12th Man
Johnson had more potential. On his day, he was more terrorizing than Harmi.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
ODI performance and Johnson's batting have **** all to do with the fact that Bird was much better with the ball in the Tests than Johnson.
tooextracool
International Coach
Think you are clutching at straws if you are going to use an average that is better by a whopping margin of 1.5 and an ER that is actually worse than Harmison's to your advantage here. Not to mention that batting standards have more or less declined since Harmison's playing career and pitches have probably gotten more bowler friendly.
This argument of going back to a bowler who doesn't even know the meaning of what good bowling is is baffling to say the very least especially when you have some 5 other bowlers in their low-mid 20s barking up the tree with more potential, drive and likelihood of test success. Instead, for some reason there is an Australian obsession with the same radar-less, one trick pony who wrung out every bit of his novelty value to produce a semblance of success during a career spanning 6 years without actually ever, not once, showing the ability to improve.
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God social is so trash, seriously.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
That's brutal man. Fair enough advocating someone to play over someone else due to fc stats. But to passionately not want someone to play and be pissed off, like you were with rahane/dhawan, when you haven't seen them is rough.
It is. I've had discussions multiple times in the past month as to why a bowler kicking the stumps over isn't a dead ball in our comp. And why I'm calling overhead 'wides' as no-balls.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Yeah I'd say i have come around to this, and you were right. Then again, didn't you have Starc in your team? Bowling pretty bad this tour as well.