Where will the test sides be ranked in 4 years?

[HeathDavisSpeed]

You're comparing him to one of the top 3 windy quicks of all time (and arguably one of the top 10 quicks of all time period). You seriously think he could be that good?

Unless he means he's considering a speciality change and thinks he could be the next Tim Ambrose??

[NasserFan207]

Last time I saw Jason Holder bowl he looked potentially gun, and I can kinda see where WW is coming from with the comparison as Holder is a massive unit who relies on accuracy, bounce and seam position. However that was two years ago, haven't heard much about him recently. I do still have high hopes for Holder though

[Bahnz]

Last time I saw Jason Holder bowl he looked potentially gun, and I can kinda see where WW is coming from with the comparison as Holder is a massive unit who relies on accuracy, bounce and seam position. However that was two years ago, haven't heard much about him recently. I do still have high hopes for Holder though

I wasn't trying to be dismissive or anything. Holder does have an excellent FC record. But, as is the case with you, I've seen nothing of him since the u19 world cup. Would be genuinely interested in what WW thinks of him, and in just what fashion he could be like Curtly.

[WindieWeathers]

You're comparing him to one of the top 3 windy quicks of all time (and arguably one of the top 10 quicks of all time period). You seriously think he could be that good?

I honestly think he could, right now in Fc cricket he's averaging 20, his action, run up stride, lengths he bowls etc are just like Amby, and the funny thing is amby is his bowling coach at CCC (the team Holder plays for) , HERE is a video of him aged 18 at the 2010 u19 world cup, watch from 6:40 .

He was the best pacer in the group stages of our last four day competition and just got called up to the senior squad during the one day series in Bangladesh, another good four day season and i think he'll most likely make his test debut vs Zimbabwe.

[Bahnz]

I honestly think he could, right now in Fc cricket he's averaging 20, his action, run up stride, lengths he bowls etc are just like Amby, and the funny thing is amby is his bowling coach at CCC (the team Holder plays for) , HERE is a video of him aged 18 at the 2010 u19 world cup, watch from 6:40 .

He was the best pacer in the group stages of our last four day competition and just got called up to the senior squad during the one day series in Bangladesh, another good four day season and i think he'll most likely make his test debut vs Zimbabwe.

Hmmm...well colour me skeptical on this for now, but I imagine we'll all get an opportunity to judge soon enough.

[flibbertyjibber]

In 4 years time for all we know the England batting side may be far stronger with Root, Bairstow and Taylor in it alongside Cook. Swann and Anderson will be huge losses but Panesar should still be around and Finn has the potential to be a fantastic bowler. In all honesty though there are probably a couple of 18/19 year olds who haven't played much first class cricket yet who may be test players/possibles as Bairstow, Root, Finn and Taylor are now.

I think 4 years is too long to look ahead as 4 years ago Swann was only just in the team, Anderson had only just cemented his place in the side but everyone was still waiting for him to revert to being crap again and Trott was so far off the radar you would have laughed at the prospect of him EVER playing a test.

I think the team who will suffer the most in 4 years time will be South Africa, Kallis gone and possibly Smith. Steyn and all of the current team will be early 30's or older so who knows who else may have dropped out by then.

[straw man]

Four years is a little difficult to predict but in 2-3 years IMO

1) England
2-6) the rest
7) NZ
8) SL
9) Bangas
10) Zim

[Flem274*]

1) NZ
2) SA
3) WI
4) Pak
5) Zim
6) SL
7) Eng
8) Ind
9) Aus
10) Bang

Lock it in.

[sonnench]

In 4 years time for all we know the England batting side may be far stronger with Root, Bairstow and Taylor in it alongside Cook. Swann and Anderson will be huge losses but Panesar should still be around and Finn has the potential to be a fantastic bowler. In all honesty though there are probably a couple of 18/19 year olds who haven't played much first class cricket yet who may be test players/possibles as Bairstow, Root, Finn and Taylor are now.

I think 4 years is too long to look ahead as 4 years ago Swann was only just in the team, Anderson had only just cemented his place in the side but everyone was still waiting for him to revert to being crap again and Trott was so far off the radar you would have laughed at the prospect of him EVER playing a test.

I think the team who will suffer the most in 4 years time will be South Africa, Kallis gone and possibly Smith. Steyn and all of the current team will be early 30's or older so who knows who else may have dropped out by then.

Yeah, because it's not like we have any youngsters or anything....

[Flem274*]

Yeah, because it's not like we have any youngsters or anything....

You do, they just all live in Auckland

[Crazy Sam]

Four years is the end of 2016... that's a long time, well after the next World Cup too, but I think the current tiers will remain with the possible exception of Sri Lanka dropping down further if they struggle to replace sangakkara/jayawardene/samaraweera who all average around 50.

[Bahnz]

1) NZ
2) SA
3) WI
4) Pak
5) Zim
6) SL
7) Eng
8) Ind
9) Aus
10) Bang

Lock it in.

WW says windies bowling attack will effectively consist of Steyn, Ambrose, Murali and Shannon Gabriel. There's no way anyone but Southee, Kuggs and Mills can top that.

[sonnench]

You do, they just all live in Auckland

Haha, yes we do

But in all seriousness, with youngsters like de Kock, de Lange etc I think we have a pretty bright future......But i guess that means England do then too???

[hendrix]

NZ will be top 3.

No need to be pessimistic here, we genuinely do have the most promising young bowling attack and there's enough in the batting department to be hopeful.

Kallis is not such a big loss as Smith. Openers are a big issue in test cricket. Kallis is a great batsman and while his bowling is great too, it's a bonus. You simply can't stay at the top without a very good opener.

Australia will up number 1 I think, they too have promising bowlers and I think Khawaja et al. will come good.

Sri Lanka have enough veterans with good intentions that I am hopeful for any debutants they bring in. Sanga, Jayawardene, Vaas, Murali all care enough to pass on their knowledge and skills to the next generation. I think they will surprise us.

It's going to be tough for India.

West Indies, Zimbabwe, England I don't know enough about to comment on.

[flibbertyjibber]

Yeah, because it's not like we have any youngsters or anything....

Notice how with our youngsters I said we MAY be better. Nobody knows how the young players will react/adapt to test cricket when they get there, I don't know how ours will do so how the hell am I going to know how your lot will do?

Point I am making is you have more better players to replace and as we have seen from Australia and now India replacing great players is bloody difficult. South Africa will always be a strong side they produce enough players but will they be as good as the ones they replace, probably not. If they are you are incredibly lucky.