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    I don't mind him playing with Intent(TM McHesson co) and all that. It's just that there's a massive difference between aggressive cricket and stupid cricket. Ryder frequently crosses the line into the latter and doesn't seem to have remedied that at all in domestics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    I have no idea if he hasn't had a drink (but knowing what I do about the bloke it seems unlikely he hasn't) but he certainly hasn't lost a lot of (or any) weight.

    Ryder is still Ryder. Honestly I just think he's a bit of a dick, but one we should have in our cricket team.
    He's been given so many chances, and he still hasn't lost any weight nor changed his pathetic approach to batting in the Plunket Shield. It's good to see he's been on the park more regularly, but outside of that I struggle to see how he's changed at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Mccullum 3 - don't mind his decision to bat first, .
    Knowing what we know now it was a mistake in hindsight. Bond said they wished they had've bowled first.

    I think it was a forgiveable mistake however as Smith said it was a good toss to lose and it wasn't a definite bowl first wicket.

    But proof of the fact that it was a mistake in hindsight at least was that
    a) we got out for 45
    b) We only got to bowl 2 overs on that seaming wicket before lunch and in that time we got Smith out lbw and nearly got out Amla. After lunch we did not bowl optimally and should have got more wickets but I also suspect that the pitch flattened out somewhat in the 40 minute lunch interval. Most 1st day pitches do flatten out after the 1st session.

    Was it a mistake without the benefit of hindsight? I think yes given we were missing Ross Taylor. I think we also knew that Steyn and Philander were beasts on seaming wickets. So yes I think it was a mistake without the benefit of hindsight. I can see why the mistake happened and it was somewhat forgiveable but given the consequences (all out for 45) I think McCullum deserves a 1 out of 10 despite making 50.
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    Upon reflection I think Ryder will bat properly in tests. He batted like a tart in Australia but before that he was a serious batsman, even if he loves playing India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Upon reflection I think Ryder will bat properly in tests. He batted like a tart in Australia but before that he was a serious batsman, even if he loves playing India.
    I guess if he is taking the piss with his batting right now. It is hard to just suddenly start batting properly against good test bowlers.

    If his coach has a word with him maybe he can get a disciplined 40 off 80 balls in his next dig. And that can silence his critics.

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    Hesson was reported to say on the radio that they were going to practice against hostile bowling in he nets.

    I have mixed feelings about it. Hope no one ends up with a broken finger out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Knowing what we know now it was a mistake in hindsight. Bond said they wished they had've bowled first.

    I think it was a forgiveable mistake however as Smith said it was a good toss to lose and it wasn't a definite bowl first wicket.

    But proof of the fact that it was a mistake in hindsight at least was that
    a) we got out for 45
    b) We only got to bowl 2 overs on that seaming wicket before lunch and in that time we got Smith out lbw and nearly got out Amla. After lunch we did not bowl optimally and should have got more wickets but I also suspect that the pitch flattened out somewhat in the 40 minute lunch interval. Most 1st day pitches do flatten out after the 1st session.

    Was it a mistake without the benefit of hindsight? I think yes given we were missing Ross Taylor. I think we also knew that Steyn and Philander were beasts on seaming wickets. So yes I think it was a mistake without the benefit of hindsight. I can see why the mistake happened and it was somewhat forgiveable but given the consequences (all out for 45) I think McCullum deserves a 1 out of 10 despite making 50.
    We were bowled out for 45 because our batsmen didn't turn up, and they bowled well. Not just because we won the toss. Had we batted like that in our second innings, the result would have been the same. South Africa easily scored 250 runs at an ODI run rate on the same day after starting little over 19 overs later, and half their batsmen were taking the piss. Patience, fight etc were the more important things missing from the first innings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    We were bowled out for 45 because our batsman didn't turn up, and they bowled well. Not just because we won the toss. Had we batted like that in our second innings, the result would have been the same. South Africa easily scored 250 runs at an ODI run rate on the same day after starting little over 19 overs later, and half their batsman were taking the piss. Patience, fight etc were the more important things missing from the firsts innings.
    Nailed it.

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    The reason it was such a bad call is because it makes far more sense to give our bowlers the chance to do their thing on a clean slate rather than after our batsmen have mutilated any chance of victory and the opposition batsmen are under as much pressure as in a game of beach cricket. We know for sure our batsmen aren't going to win a game for us, but they sure can ruin it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    We were bowled out for 45 because our batsmen didn't turn up, and they bowled well. Not just because we won the toss. Had we batted like that in our second innings, the result would have been the same. South Africa easily scored 250 runs at an ODI run rate on the same day after starting little over 19 overs later, and half their batsman were taking the piss. Patience, fight etc were the more important things missing from the firsts innings.
    Out of all the factors involved, decision to bat first, poor batting, etc. The most decisive was an absolutely devastating spell of bowling from Philander. He would have had any batting lineup in the world on the ropes with that spell.

    No excuses for NZ. It was a pathetic display, but that was some spell of bowling.

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    Short Answer: Well that's my view so lets agree to disagree.

    Longer Answer

    No doubt there were more factors than just the pitch at play behind why we got out for 45. But the fact it was the first session on a slightly grass covered pitch was an important factor.

    The reason why we scored more runs in the 2nd dig wasn't ONLY grit and determination it was also that the pitch was doing less.

    Some of the balls we received during our 45 fiasco were awesome. And those deliveries needed good conditions to behave the way they did. They would have either dismissed most batsman in the world or beaten the bat. Somehow we nicked or edged ALL of them. Some of our dismissals were lame in that inning. In particular I thought Baz and Franko could have done better. Many of the other top 6 I don't blame.

    If we had've bowled first I doubt we would have taken more than 3 wickets because we don't have the same bowlers in our team. But we knew who they had and we underestimated their abilities to our demise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    South Africa easily scored 250 runs at an ODI run rate on the same day after starting little over 19 overs later, .
    In the two overs they batted before lunch (in the same conditions) they lost a wicket and nearly lost a second.

    The first session of the test is always the hardest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    Out of all the factors involved, decision to bat first, poor batting, etc. The most decisive was an absolutely devastating spell of bowling from Philander. He would have had any batting lineup in the world on the ropes with that spell.

    No excuses for NZ. It was a pathetic display, but that was some spell of bowling.
    As much as I hate watching him embarrass us, to potentially be able to add another ATG bowler to the list that I've seen in my lifetime is awesome. Steyn's been the only one since McGrath/Pollock etc.

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    There was talk recently about Philander's final average, and the general consensus iirc was 25-32. If he keeps bullying teams on home pitches though, his average might stay in the low 20s and the longer he keeps this run of form up/gets to smash lower 4 test sides the harder it will be for his average to go up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Hesson was reported to say on the radio that they were going to practice against hostile bowling in he nets.

    I have mixed feelings about it. Hope no one ends up with a broken finger out of it.
    I've got one feeling about it - woeful coaching. Was he not forewarned South Africa have a reasonable pace-laden, hostile bowling line-up? Or could he have worked it out himself?



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