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    Batting against the best (since 2000)

    Thought it would be interesting to check batting records in the last 10 years exclusively against the 'big 4'; Australia, South Africa, England & India.

    Qualification: 1000+ runs

    Suppose a good argument could be made for SL being included as well based on their record in the 2000s, but you can always add them at your leisure.


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    Interesting to see Flower >>> over anyone else.

    Was also surprised to see Jayawardene & Yousuf up the top as I always thought they were minnow-bashes.

    Thoughts?

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    With Sri Lanka included.

    Brings Flower somewhat back to the fold. Somewhat...

    I note re: our discussion in the KP thread, that Clarke appears above any other Aussies, and 7 runs clear of KP.

    Interesting to see how far Kallis falls by this measure (4214 @ 45.8, as opposed to the all inclusive figure of 8728 @ 58.57). Mentally revising my estimation of him downwards as we speak.
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    Yeah, Clarke's up there because of a few massive series he had when he came back into the side and cashed in when Australia were cruising (Ashes 06/07 & Sri Lanka).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Brings Flower somewhat back to the fold. Somewhat...
    Yup, only somewhat...still an average of 70 against quality opposition ain't too shabby

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Interesting to see how far Kallis falls by this measure (4214 @ 45.8, as opposed to the all inclusive figure of 8728 @ 58.57). Mentally revising my estimation of him downwards as we speak.
    Indeed, don't think too many would be surprised to see that mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12 View Post
    Thought it would be interesting to check batting records in the last 10 years exclusively against the 'big 4'; Australia, South Africa, England & India.

    Qualification: 1000+ runs


    Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com
    changed the filter to away records against the said countries

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    Isn't statsguru fun?

    Wow at Flower though. It boggles the mind just to see how far in front of his countrymen he was in terms of class. And shows that class is class, and that "minnow bashers" like Jayawardene are more than capable against more capable teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    "minnow bashers" like Jayawardene are more than capable against more capable teams.
    seems to do much better at home though. same goes for ponting too. check out the away records for the same period; ricky and brian are a good 20 spots below where they would like to be. when the home record is too far better than their away records, that affects their overall standing in the game. mahela's lack of legendary status must have something to do with this.

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    Jayawardene very underrated for me, ok you can bang on about his record away but he really has not had the chance to play much outside the subcontinent in recent years in which he churned out masses of runs againt all class of opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    changed the filter to away records against the said countries

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    A big LOL @ number 26

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    I think the real key to this being "interesting" is that India is included in the stats. India have had an extremely poor fast bowling attack and Kumble has been ordinary away from home, giving a number of players in this list a big advantage in the average stakes.

    If we remove India and only stick to Aus, England and South Africa we get this list:

    Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com

    This gives a far stronger indication IMO of who the most impactual batsmen have been (because let's face it, against India it's generally a batting war, with the bowlers that the Indian's face having far more impact on the result than the batsmen that get to plunder the Indian bowling lineup).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avada Kedavra View Post
    A big LOL @ number 26
    Wow!!!! That's HILARIOUS!!! [/sarcasm]
    Last edited by Matt79; 09-04-2010 at 08:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    I think the real key to this being "interesting" is that India is included in the stats. India have had an extremely poor fast bowling attack and Kumble has been ordinary away from home, giving a number of players in this list a big advantage in the average stakes.

    If we remove India and only stick to Aus, England and South Africa we get this list:

    Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com

    This gives a far stronger indication IMO of who the most impactual batsmen have been (because let's face it, against India it's generally a batting war, with the bowlers that the Indian's face having far more impact on the result than the batsmen that get to plunder the Indian bowling lineup).
    Agree with that logic.

    If you include Pakistan, who have had a pretty decent bowling attack for a lot of this period, you get:
    Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com.

    although whether Pakistan or SL have had the better attack on average over that timeframe, and whether extending it to include either, or both, renders this a bit meaningless, is a different question. In any case, here's that list.http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/...s;type=batting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Wow!!!! That's HILARIOUS!!!
    Is it really that surprising? His average is dragged down significantly by India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    I think the real key to this being "interesting" is that India is included in the stats. India have had an extremely poor fast bowling attack and Kumble has been ordinary away from home, giving a number of players in this list a big advantage in the average stakes.

    If we remove India and only stick to Aus, England and South Africa we get this list:

    Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com

    This gives a far stronger indication IMO of who the most impactual batsmen have been (because let's face it, against India it's generally a batting war, with the bowlers that the Indian's face having far more impact on the result than the batsmen that get to plunder the Indian bowling lineup).
    Australian pitches are generally extremely flat too. Looking at it this way colours Ponting's record to an undeserved extent as he did not exactly dictate terms in India.

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