Why I wont attend one game this summer (Eng vs SA)

jboss · 13-11-2009, 02:42 PM

I am not paying to watch a contest that is no longer about nation vs nation. This has become a contest of who has more money or loves it more and who loves their country more. Why would anyone pay an international cricket ticket price for a game that is not an contest between 2 nations beats me. Good luck to you both and may the "better" South Africa win.

zaremba · 13-11-2009, 03:10 PM

Suit yourself. As an England supporter I've long since been happy to support my national team regardless of where its members were born or even where they learned their cricket. Some of my favourite England players, both historical and modern, have been "foreigners" - Ranji, Tony Grieg, Robin Smith, Devon Malcolm, KP. If these players choose to come and play for my team rather than someone else's, bring it on. The more the merrier. England is an extraordinarily cosmopolitan country made up of, and enriched by, successive waves of immigrants, the vast majority of whom have come for financial / career reasons.

And this is no new phenomenon - you might think of Clarrie Grimmett, Reggie Schwarz, Archie Jackson and a host of others as immigrants who cheapened the national teams that they played for. I don't.

Goughy · 13-11-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by zaremba

Suit yourself. As an England supporter I've long since been happy to support my national team regardless of where its members were born or even where they learned their cricket. Some of my favourite England players, both historical and modern, have been "foreigners" - Ranji, Tony Grieg, Robin Smith, Devon Malcolm, KP. If these players choose to come and play for my team rather than someone else's, bring it on. The more the merrier. England is an extraordinarily cosmopolitan country made up of, and enriched by, successive waves of immigrants, the vast majority of whom have come for financial / career reasons.

And this is no new phenomenon - you might think of Grimmett, Schwartz, Archie Jackson and a host of others as immigrants who cheapened the national teams that they played for. I don't.

Given the likes of Trott and KP were born with British passports, chose to make England their home and married to British women I find the idea of calling them anything but English (if they choose) wrong.

This is not about importing talent for cash as the OP suggests.

Richard · 13-11-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by zaremba

Some of my favourite England players... KP.

(BTW don't think Devon Malcolm really counts because even though he speaks with a Jamaican accent he came to the UK as a child unlike the others you mention who made their own choice to move over, all for perfectly legit reason.)

As for Trott and Pietersen anyone claiming they came over for financial reasons clearly hasn't read-up on their cases. The reason they came over was because they were unable to break into South African sides, and felt they were not getting a fair crack of the whip. The fault for that lies with selection committees in South Africa and probably nowhere else.

GingerFurball · 13-11-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jboss

I am not paying to watch a contest that is no longer about nation vs nation. This has become a contest of who has more money or loves it more and who loves their country more. Why would anyone pay an international cricket ticket price for a game that is not an contest between 2 nations beats me. Good luck to you both and may the "better" South Africa win.

0RI0N · 13-11-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jboss

I am not paying to watch a contest that is no longer about nation vs nation. This has become a contest of who has more money or loves it more and who loves their country more. Why would anyone pay an international cricket ticket price for a game that is not an contest between 2 nations beats me. Good luck to you both and may the "better" South Africa win.

cool story bro

Lillian Thomson · 14-11-2009, 04:28 AM

I don't think too many people would pay to watch South Africa v England if the England team wasn't full of interlopers. It's a sorry fact that England would struggle to raise a competitive team.

Craig · 14-11-2009, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson

I don't think too many people would pay to watch South Africa v England if the England team wasn't full of interlopers. It's a sorry fact that England would struggle to raise a competitive team.

Well AFAIK this was the last Test England played without having a member not born in England.

Lillian Thomson · 14-11-2009, 05:00 AM

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Well AFAIK this was the last Test England played without having a member not born in England.

Your point being............?

Langeveldt · 14-11-2009, 05:44 AM

I must admit, it loses a bit of edge when half of it feels like SA v SA A.. If England would rather take SA's scraps than grow their own players, then good luck to them..

GGG · 14-11-2009, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Langeveldt

I must admit, it loses a bit of edge when half of it feels like SA v SA A.. If England would rather take SA's scraps than grow their own players, then good luck to them..

Yep, half the reason that are **** at sports, look at their football league, its like spot the Englishman in a lot of the teams. But yeah pretty hard to take their cricket team seriously anymore.

Richard · 14-11-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Langeveldt

I must admit, it loses a bit of edge when half of it feels like SA v SA A.. If England would rather take SA's scraps than grow their own players, then good luck to them..

Yeah Pietersen and Trott wouldn't have a hope if they were suddenly transplanted back to being South African-eligible would they?(!)

And quite how it's SA vs SA A yet just because of 2 whole players is beyond me. Kieswetter and co. haven't made the Test team yet.

Edged&Taken · 14-11-2009, 09:35 PM

Trott and Pietersen won't need to be in their hotels, they can stay with their parents.

Somerset · 15-11-2009, 12:09 AM

Might be a bit harsh to throw all the spotline on England with regards to using players of South African origin, when Grant Elliott, Ryan ten Doeschate and co. are playing international cricket for different nationalities other than their original place of birth...

zaremba · 15-11-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Yeah Pietersen and Trott wouldn't have a hope if they were suddenly transplanted back to being South African-eligible would they?(!)

And quite how it's SA vs SA A yet just because of 2 whole players is beyond me.

Quite.

Perhaps the original poster could attend some games but just stop watching when Pietersen comes out to bat?

13-11-2009, 02:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
jboss Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Borgund, Norway Posts: 276	Why I wont attend one game this summer (Eng vs SA) I am not paying to watch a contest that is no longer about nation vs nation. This has become a contest of who has more money or loves it more and who loves their country more. Why would anyone pay an international cricket ticket price for a game that is not an contest between 2 nations beats me. Good luck to you both and may the "better" South Africa win.

13-11-2009, 03:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
zaremba Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: chez les Ashes Posts: 8,730	Suit yourself. As an England supporter I've long since been happy to support my national team regardless of where its members were born or even where they learned their cricket. Some of my favourite England players, both historical and modern, have been "foreigners" - Ranji, Tony Grieg, Robin Smith, Devon Malcolm, KP. If these players choose to come and play for my team rather than someone else's, bring it on. The more the merrier. England is an extraordinarily cosmopolitan country made up of, and enriched by, successive waves of immigrants, the vast majority of whom have come for financial / career reasons. And this is no new phenomenon - you might think of Clarrie Grimmett, Reggie Schwarz, Archie Jackson and a host of others as immigrants who cheapened the national teams that they played for. I don't. Last edited by zaremba; 13-11-2009 at 03:14 PM.

14-11-2009, 04:28 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lillian Thomson International Captain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: england Posts: 5,638	I don't think too many people would pay to watch South Africa v England if the England team wasn't full of interlopers. It's a sorry fact that England would struggle to raise a competitive team. __________________ Not now Maud, I am sprinkling the man in the tent.

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Edged&Taken U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 575	Trott and Pietersen won't need to be in their hotels, they can stay with their parents.

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Somerset Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 9,863	Might be a bit harsh to throw all the spotline on England with regards to using players of South African origin, when Grant Elliott, Ryan ten Doeschate and co. are playing international cricket for different nationalities other than their original place of birth...

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