View Poll Results: Who was the greatest middle-order player for Australia post 1970?

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  • Greg Chappell

    31 56.36%
  • Allan Border

    11 20.00%
  • Steve Waugh

    21 38.18%
  • Greg Ritchie

    3 5.45%
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Thread: Chappell vs. Border vs. Waugh

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    Chappell vs. Border vs. Waugh

    Both batsmen were the premier middle-order players of their time. I am restricting this to test performances. Who was the greatest batsmen out of these three?

    Please take into account the opposition they faced and how they did against the best bowling attacks of their time.

    Not taking into account bowling, either, unless in absolute tiebreaks.
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    Thread title has it in the right order, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Both batsmen were the premier middle-order players of their time. I am restricting this to test performances. Who was the greatest batsmen out of these three?

    Please take into account the opposition they faced and how they did against the best bowling attacks of their time.

    Not taking into account bowling, either, unless in absolute tiebreaks.
    I presume you mean all three were premier middle order players of their time?

    IMO, Greg Chappell would be head and shoulders above everyone of the rest, presuming you are talking about him and not Ian.
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    It is interesting to note, however, that Steve Waugh averaged over 56 after 1992, still about the same number of tests as Chappell.

    Waugh certainly had the greater peak, say, over 20 tests, of the three.

    The question is if the great bowling attacks that Waugh faced was comparable to the attacks that Chappell and Border faced?


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    Waugh as great vs some quality bowling, but so was Border. Chappell was imperious, though I have heard it said it may not have been a coincidence he retired on the verge of 7 straight tests v the WI, home and away. Personally, I don't believe that but who knows?

    Border was the closest to Tendulkar in terms of having the world on his shoulders when he batted, at least in the 80s - if he failed we were almost guaranteed to lose. Sometimes he didn't fail and we still lost .

    Waugh played with some quality middle order companions for a large part of his career, including AB himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Waugh as great vs some quality bowling, but so was Border. Chappell was imperious, though I have heard it said it may not have been a coincidence he retired on the verge of 7 straight tests v the WI, home and away. Personally, I don't believe that but who knows?

    Border was the closest to Tendulkar in terms of having the world on his shoulders when he batted, at least in the 80s - if he failed we were almost guaranteed to lose. Sometimes he didn't fail and we still lost .

    Waugh played with some quality middle order companions for a large part of his career, including AB himself.
    That reminds me of Shiv Chanderpaul and the West Indies presently.

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    One could say that both Waugh and possibly Border got the absolute most out of their ability and talent.

    Chappell, I get the impression, made it all look easy, but would often get himself out.

    Could be wrong, though.

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    Did the poll say Clive Rice as the 4th option originally and then changed to Greg Ritchie?

    I went for the poll order Chappell, Border, SWaugh, Ritchie.

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    Will never vote for the Chappell guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz View Post
    Will never vote for the Chappell guy.
    Should be able to separate his batsmanship for your dislike for him now though, surely?

    Anyway, Greg Chappell here.

    I find it almost impossible to separate Border and Waugh though.
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    g. chappell ahead of border and waugh, but not by much. wish you had included ponting in the poll. that would have made the choice even more difficult.

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    As batsmen, AB and Waugh are almost impossible to split in my books - but Greg Chappell is a cut above them both. You could argue that both Border and Waugh are more iconic figures in Australian cricket history due to their leadership/legacy/circumstances etc, but for pure batsmanship Chappell ranks above any Australian since Bradman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
    As batsmen, AB and Waugh are almost impossible to split in my books - but Greg Chappell is a cut above them both. You could argue that both Border and Waugh are more iconic figures in Australian cricket history due to their leadership/legacy/circumstances etc, but for pure batsmanship Chappell ranks above any Australian since Bradman.

    Punter may well rank above them all by time he hangs up the willow, if he doesn't already.
    This - although I don't think Punter can realistically go past Chappell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    This - although I don't think Punter can realistically go past Chappell.
    These guys, plus Bradman and Miller, is why picking the middle order for the alltime Australian team is damn near impossible. Bradman has to be 3, and most always have Miller at 6. Leaves you two slots - I'm usually very comfortable in having Chappell at 4, but then always stymied as to whether to go for Harvey, Border, Waugh, or now I guess Ponting at 5.

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    Chappell, then Waugh, then Border. Ponting is about level with Border IMO.
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