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    Arherton and Chappell's post-war Ashes XIs

    Yesterday in the Sunday Telegraph Mike Atherton and Ian Chappell named their best post-war Ashes XIs - but with a twist. Athers picked hia best post-war Australian team and Ian Chappell did likewise for England. Here's what they came up with:
    Ian Chappell's England XI:
    Hutton
    Boycott
    Dexter
    Compton
    Barrington
    Flintoff
    Knott
    Trueman
    Snow
    Underwood
    Willis
    Interesting ommissons - Botham, Laker. Statham, May.
    Mike Atherton's Australian XI:
    Morris
    Slater
    G Chappell
    Border
    Harvey
    Gilchrist
    Benaud
    Lindwall
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath
    Interesting ommissons: Bradman (Atherton said he was past his best post-war...hmm), Ponting, I Chappell, a couple of Waughs. a sixth batsman, Miller, Jeff Thomson.
    Interesting teams with some controversial ommissions...but do you agree with them? And if not who would you have picked?
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    Some interesting picks

    Mine would be:
    ENGLAND
    Hutton
    Boycott
    Dexter
    Compton
    Vaughan
    Botham
    Flintoff
    Knott
    Trueman
    Laker
    Tyson

    AUSTRALIA
    Morris
    Slater
    Ponting
    G Chappell
    S. Waugh
    Miller
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Lindwall
    Lillee
    McGrath

    I've shown some preference to players who's record in Ashes contests is better than their overall records, or who particularly dominated some Ashes contests, eg Flintoff, Morris, etc. I've left out Bradman purely because it makes the selection process more interesting and gives you two more balanced teams. Obviously if I was being hardnosed about it, he'd be in at Ponting's expense.
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    England

    Hutton *
    Boycott
    May
    Compton
    Barrington
    Botham
    Knott +
    Bedser
    Truman
    Laker
    Underwood

    Australia

    Hayden
    Langer
    Bradman *
    Ponting
    G.Chappell
    Miller
    Gilchrist +
    Lindwall
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath
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    Even if Bradman was past "his" best, his "not so best" was still better than anyone in that lineup (and he still averaged 100+ during that period).
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    I think the issue with Bradman is how you define "post-war". Bradman played post-war, and he was good enough to make a post-war XI, but he was certianly past his best. He almost didn't play in the first Ashes series after the war, much like Hammond, and while he still made heaps of runs he certainly wasn't the batsman he was before. I wouldn't include him in a post-war XI simply because he played the vast majority of his cricket pre-war. Only two years out of an 18 year career afterwards. It'd be like including Malcolm Marshall in a 90s XI, or Wasim Akram in a 2000s XI.

    Anyway, my Australian XI:

    Morris
    Hayden
    Ponting
    G. Chappell
    S. Waugh (c)
    Miller
    Gilchrist (k)
    Davidson
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath

    Honourable mentions are Border and Lindwall, mainly. Lindwall was probably a better bowler than Davidson, but the batting swings it for me. Ian Chappell and Langer both worthy of consideration as well, and Benaud if a second spinner was needed. The Ponting decision does depend a bit on how highly you rate Ashes performances compared to overall records, as his record against England is merely average, like Hayden for instance, while some lesser players like Slater have awesome Ashes records.

    For England, I think Chappelli was pretty close to the right side, though leaving out Botham is a sin.

    Hutton
    Boycott
    Compton
    May (c)
    Barrington
    Botham
    Flintoff
    Knott (k)
    Trueman
    Laker
    Snow

    Honourable mentions are Dexter and Underwood. Tyson had one phenomenal series, but can't really match Trueman, Snow, Bedser, Willis etc for longevity and impact in Ashes series. The presence of both all-rounders gives plenty of batting depth as well as a five man attack. Flintoff and Snow are mostly included based on their Ashes exploits, as their overall records aren't as good as some other candidates, but they dominated against Australia.
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    It's also interesting Atherton didn't include Ponting. Wonder what his excuse for that was

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    I Honourable mentions are Border and Lindwall, mainly. Lindwall was probably a better bowler than Davidson, but the batting swings it for me.
    Really? Lindwall has a coupla test tons, doesn't he? Hardly a rabbit.

    Slater is an interesting pick in Athers's XI. His overall average probably doesn't quite justify his selection, but he generally reserved his best form for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby
    Really? Lindwall has a coupla test tons, doesn't he? Hardly a rabbit.

    Slater is an interesting pick in Athers's XI. His overall average probably doesn't quite justify his selection, but he generally reserved his best form for us.
    Fair point about Lindwall actually, though I think Davidson was probably a better batsman overall. Lindwall was really more in the Shane Warne sort of league of bowlers who could bat and would occasionally make a big score, though more consistent. Davidson was closer to an all-rounder and averaged in the 30s in FC cricket IIRC.

    Anyway, it could go either way, and both are fine bowlers. Lindwall was a bigger wicket-taker, while Davidson offers some variation as a left-armer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dravid
    It's also interesting Atherton didn't include Ponting. Wonder what his excuse for that was
    His 1658 @ 47.37 (mainly against tripe attacks) doesn't compare favourably to the records of others?
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    KP should be in there

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    No Keith Miller now that is just a joke. I might even award Atherton the Skull this week

    Atherton is not that well read when it comes to cricket history, I remember when commentating he did not know who George Lohmann was Also Mark Waugh had a very good record in Ashes battles.

    Chappelli is no fan of Both, so maybe he should have been told to pick Botham and 10 others. Chappelli does know his cricket history, but May had to play I should think
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