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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvester View Post
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    That article was posted before the squad was named.
    Interesting then, as I said. Think the moral here is "Don't bad mouth the skipper".

    No surprise to see Warne having a wee dig at Punter either; don't think there's too much love lost between them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    I'm not a huge North fan but he's proven himself to be capable of making hundreds and that is what is required from a top 6 bat.

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    Um yeah...who cares if he averages 37 across what is now a big sample of games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    Um yeah...who cares if he averages 37 across what is now a big sample of games.
    Yeah but how the hell is a kid like Smith going to even be able to average 37 in Test Cricket batting at 6?

    With Hauritz out of the team and most likely Doherty in our batting is slightly weaker. So moving Smith up from 8 to 6 would be madness as he hasn't shown enough signs to show that he would be able to handle the move up the order.

    Smith's batting average is going down quickly which was always going to happen.

    I don't completely mind the fact that Smith is in our plans, but surely Smith batting at 6 against a good English team at the GABBA is not the best circumstances for a cricket so unproven like he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodster View Post
    Good spinners will always play a part
    Good spinners are irrelevant to Australia's selection balance.
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    I was more saying North shouldn't be there at all, rather than who should be in his place. But, now you raise it, yeah I would rather have Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcuss View Post
    Is Smith actually a better spinner than North?
    No

    Is the Gabba likely to be a good surface for spin?

    No

    Is Doherty likely to perform as well as any of the seamers?

    Not a snowflake's chance in hell

    In summary: Go with our strengths and let North bowl a few overs if needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacknife View Post
    Personally I'd go with Tremlett, at this stage in his career , he offers a bit more than Finn. As we've seen today, he keeps it real tight and has got the ball reversing at good pace.
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    Tremlett will only get a game if Finn gets injured/dropped

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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    No

    Is the Gabba likely to be a good surface for spin?

    No

    Is Doherty likely to perform as well as any of the seamers?

    Not a snowflake's chance in hell

    In summary: Go with our strengths and let North bowl a few overs if needed
    McDonald would've been so perfect four the fourth seamer's role if
    a) he was in the squad; and
    b) he didn't break his hand

    As it stands, Watson's probably going to be as useful as Siddle, so he probably wouldn't offer that much. Butterworth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post

    As it stands, Watson's probably going to be as useful as Siddle, so he probably wouldn't offer that much.
    What makes you say that? If the Gabba pitch stays similiar to how to it was in the ODI vs Sri Lanka, I think Watson could be the top wicket taker out of both teams (provided he is given enough of an opportunity to bowl). Watson can really take advantage of swing and seam movement, where as Siddle just tends to hit the deck hard and relies on intimidation bowling. Even when a pitch is offering a fair bit for the quicks, I haven't ever seen Siddle extract much movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusEx View Post
    What makes you say that? If the Gabba pitch stays similiar to how to it was in the ODI vs Sri Lanka, I think Watson could be the top wicket taker out of both teams (provided he is given enough of an opportunity to bowl). Watson can really take advantage of swing and seam movement, where as Siddle just tends to hit the deck hard and relies on intimidation bowling. Even when a pitch is offering a fair bit for the quicks, I haven't ever seen Siddle extract much movement.
    I meant it in a good way for Watson bowling - ie. Siddle's unlikely to offer more than Watson as a fourth seamer so he'd be a bit of a waste as a pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    No

    Is the Gabba likely to be a good surface for spin?

    No

    Is Doherty likely to perform as well as any of the seamers?

    Not a snowflake's chance in hell

    In summary: Go with our strengths and let North bowl a few overs if needed
    Doherty bound to get KP out though. may as well pick him just for that. Will not pretend to be an expert (have not seen Doherty bowl) but don't really understand why they are not going with O'Keefe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I meant it in a good way for Watson bowling - ie. Siddle's unlikely to offer more than Watson as a fourth seamer so he'd be a bit of a waste as a pick.
    Oh right haha sorry, I interpreted it as "As it stands, Watson's probably going to be as useful as Siddle, so he [Watson] probably wouldn't offer that much".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    Will not pretend to be an expert (have not seen Doherty bowl) but don't really understand why they are not going with O'Keefe.
    Because the selectors are simply stupid. As boorish as it sounds, there is no other reason I can think of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I meant it in a good way for Watson bowling - ie. Siddle's unlikely to offer more than Watson as a fourth seamer so he'd be a bit of a waste as a pick.
    Point is that a "poor" performance from Siddle will almost undoubtedly be better than anything either Doherty or Smith serve up so why bother with either of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusEx View Post
    What makes you say that? If the Gabba pitch stays similiar to how to it was in the ODI vs Sri Lanka, I think Watson could be the top wicket taker out of both teams (provided he is given enough of an opportunity to bowl). Watson can really take advantage of swing and seam movement, where as Siddle just tends to hit the deck hard and relies on intimidation bowling. Even when a pitch is offering a fair bit for the quicks, I haven't ever seen Siddle extract much movement.
    Nah, Siddle can get seam movement. Which I suspect will be handy at the Gabba. Disagree completely that Watson will be the top wicket-taker even if he does bowl his share of overs.

    But yeah, with Watson a genuine 4th seamer - Could see why a spin option could be handy. Shame they've picked the wrong two, though.
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