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    One example: "Jones...Bowden!"

    Kaspas hand wasn't on bat, should have been not out, Australia retains Ashes and england keep whinging and decide to form a "british" team to bring Andy Murray into the team and eventually try to say he's english.
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    FMD, can we perhaps have 1 thread in this sub-forum that doesn't turn into a bitch-fight over something that is completely irrelevant to the thread itself. Agreeing with Smith, delete the useless posts.
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    The posts here relate to (a) grumbles about umpiring errors in recent series and (b) whether or not the referral system will work. Judging by both the thread title and the opening post I don't think these things are as you suggest "completely irrelevant".

    If there's anything guaranteed to start a bitch-fight it's referring to others' (generally pretty coherent) posts as "useless" and calling for their deletion. That goes for both you and dontcloseyoureyes from whom I'd generally expect better.

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    Both Bell and Pietersen in the 2nd innings at Edgbaston.


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    Just watching some old 2005 footage, it reminded me that Bell and Pietersen were wrongly given out "caught" off Warne's bowling in the 2nd innings at Edgbaston. Not sure if they were clear enough errors to be corrected under the new system though which may lend some support to Richard's argument I suppose. And it did set up a pretty ok finish to the game.

    Anyhow, God what a series that was. The spirit between the teams was so damn good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    Just watching some old 2005 footage, it reminded me that Bell and Pietersen were wrongly given out "caught" off Warne's bowling in the 2nd innings at Edgbaston. Not sure if they were clear enough errors to be corrected under the new system though which may lend some support to Richard's argument I suppose. And it did set up a pretty ok finish to the game.
    Pietersen, sure (despite that he was out first ball) but thought Bell's nick to the ''keeper was was clear as day. Didn't seem too fussed about the decision himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper868 View Post
    One example: "Jones...Bowden!"

    Kaspas hand wasn't on bat, should have been not out, Australia retains Ashes
    If errors were eliminated they wouldn't even have been playing by the time that happened, as Kasprowicz would have been given out lbw 1st ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    Yes that was an error. But it's wrong to suggest that that invalidates the whole system.
    I wasn't suggesting that. I was suggesting that there's no way on Earth anyone can be remotely close to certain that the poor decision against Strauss in the Adelaide Oval second-innings would have been overturned with the referral system, because it fails as often if not more than it succeeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper868 View Post
    One example: "Jones...Bowden!"

    Kaspas hand wasn't on bat, should have been not out, Australia retains Ashes and england keep whinging and decide to form a "british" team to bring Andy Murray into the team and eventually try to say he's english.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Dead-set, some people (mostly Australians... what a surprise ) have a hell of an ability to hallucinate a universe of errors more than actually happened in 2005.

    You could probably count the number of obvious mistakes on two hands. In five Tests, that makes a pretty damn good series of Umpiring.

    So... before we get onto tallying the errors in 2009, shall we have some claims made about how many there were in 2005? And actually give them, rather than just say "there were loads".
    As far as deadset shockers go - Damien Martyn at Old Trafford, given lbw off the middle of the bat.

    McGrath yorked Harmison (?) in one of the tests, plum in front of middle stump, and it was given not out.

    edit: might have been Simon Jones actually. Was the most blatant lbw in the history of the game.

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    I remember that Jones one (was definately Jones - LHB - though having looked back it was actually Brett Lee not McGrath who was bowling - McGrath missed the Test in question) but the Martyn exaggeration is precisely what I'm talking about. There is no way it (or Martyn's other bad lbw) was that obvious - yes, you'd hope a good Umpire would spot it most of the time, but it wasn't the sort of thing that there's no excuse whatsoever for, as the Katich one was (ditto the Lee-Jones one).

    Let's do it. Seeing as Gelman doesn't want it done here for whatever reason, separate thread. Let's try and tally ALL the Umpiring errors in 2005, dividing them into easily-made mistakes and ridiculous ones.
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    Right then, we've just had the first error of the series. Strauss n\o to a pretty obviously out lbw against Johnson. And yes, it was pretty clearly out to my mind, HawkEye or no HawkEye.

    Cost is precisely zero - Strauss out to the same bowler, the same over, without adding to his score.

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