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You were WRONG on the Polls !
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) 'crowing' tour of this site for...well a week?warrioryohannan
U19 Cricketer
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No, the last series between England and India was in early 2002 in India. It finished 3 games apiece, which where I come from is known as a DRAW! [/quote]
Yeah and after that India played in a onedayer tour in England which was won by India,the losers were the English team
"All the Indian fans on here are always saying how brilliant a team they are, yet it was expected to be a close game with Zimbabwe?!"
jeez,Evan Aus had a close game against Kenya a few weeks back,by urJudgement Aus must be an ordinary team!
"We English accept the fact that we're not the bet in the World, but we're as good as or beter than most."
LOL!I take it as a joke,not sure though as to weather Nasir would have enjoed it!
No, the last series between England and India was in early 2002 in India. It finished 3 games apiece, which where I come from is known as a DRAW! [/quote]
Yeah and after that India played in a onedayer tour in England which was won by India,the losers were the English team
"All the Indian fans on here are always saying how brilliant a team they are, yet it was expected to be a close game with Zimbabwe?!"
jeez,Evan Aus had a close game against Kenya a few weeks back,by urJudgement Aus must be an ordinary team!
"We English accept the fact that we're not the bet in the World, but we're as good as or beter than most."
LOL!I take it as a joke,not sure though as to weather Nasir would have enjoed it!
vandemataram
Banned
Is this some kind of a joke?? England is better than MOST? and the most Includes which teams??
Aus,SA,Pak,NZ and India are all better than England.SL(playing with Murali) is better too.England is at par with WI and the only team that appears to be weaker than England is Zimb/Bang/Kenya!
So get ur facts right, England is a decent test team but in Onedayers they are pathetic, agreed that they have improved somewhat BUT they are simply not good enough!
vandemataram
Banned
Is this some kind of a joke?? England is better than MOST? and the most Includes which teams??
Aus,SA,Pak,NZ and India are all better than England.SL(playing with Murali) is better too.England is at par with WI and the only team that appears to be weaker than England is Zimb/Bang/Kenya!
So get ur facts right, England is a decent test team but in Onedayers they are pathetic, agreed that they have improved somewhat BUT they are simply not good enough!
nehrafan
Banned
This gotta be the joke of the century, lemme provide u guys some stats.
England onedayer sucess rate in the last 10 onedayers against different teams!
Against AUS :20%
against SA: 20%
Against Pak: 30%
Against SL: 40%
Against Ind: 44%
Against WI :44%
Against NZ: 45%
Against Zimb:90%
Against Bang:100%
Its obvious that the only team against which England have an impressive record are zimb and Bang.
Hope u guys got the picture
full_length
U19 Vice-Captain
How did you manage to get figures of 44 and 45% when considering last 10 ODIs? Were there so many ties/noresults?
full_length
U19 Vice-Captain
OK, so you have used crickinfo's statserver. You should specify how you are defining success rate when you throw in stats like that. crickinfo is not a Cricket 101 for some of us..
That stat can be looked at like this: your 44% vs India translates to 4 wins, 5 losses, and 1 no result. There is no way of knowing what the tenth (result) match will place the two teams wrt each other. And so on..
Throw in stats if you must, but specifying what definitions/ forumulae you are using will make it more worthwhile.
Note: crickinfo's formula for success rate is %=(W-T/2)/(P-NR)
where W=win, T=tie, etc.
[Edited on 9/15/02 by full_length]
That stat can be looked at like this: your 44% vs India translates to 4 wins, 5 losses, and 1 no result. There is no way of knowing what the tenth (result) match will place the two teams wrt each other. And so on..
Throw in stats if you must, but specifying what definitions/ forumulae you are using will make it more worthwhile.
Note: crickinfo's formula for success rate is %=(W-T/2)/(P-NR)
where W=win, T=tie, etc.
[Edited on 9/15/02 by full_length]
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
That was not a One Day series, that was a Tournament - there is a distinct difference.Yeah and after that India played in a onedayer tour in England which was won by India,the losers were the English team
And for all those flaming me, note I said AS GOOD AS or better than most.
That success rate stat only served to prove my point most of England's rates were around 40-50% - so therefore they are as good as those teams. Only against Aus, SA and Pakistan are they below 40% - hence England are not as good as those nations if you use that statistic.
Incidentally if we look at the same stat for Test Matches (at no point did I say I was talking about just ODI cricket) we get the following:
Australia - 25%
India - 50%
NZ - 55%
Pakistan - 45%
SA - 50%
Sri Lanka - 65%
West Indies - 50%
Zimbabwe - 62.5% (extrapolated from 4 games)
Only one there less than 40%!
warrioryohannan
U19 Cricketer
That was not a One Day series, that was a Tournament - there is a distinct difference.Yeah and after that India played in a onedayer tour in England which was won by India,the losers were the English team
And for all those flaming me, note I said AS GOOD AS or better than most.
That success rate stat only served to prove my point most of England's rates were around 40-50% - so therefore they are as good as those teams. Only against Aus, SA and Pakistan are they below 40% - hence England are not as good as those nations if you use that statistic.
Incidentally if we look at the same stat for Test Matches (at no point did I say I was talking about just ODI cricket) we get the following:
Two things, First of all I had made it CLEAR that i was talking about onedayers, u are definately mixed up b/w the two formats otherwise u wouldn't be referring to test matches .Secondarily, i was talking about NATWEST trophy, the series B/w that tour ended in a draw BUT India defeated Eng in Natwest.
Also, England have below 50 % record against WI,INd,SL,NZ which makes it clear that they are NOT AS GOOD as those team!
nehrafan
Banned
Nope, he's not mixed up, infact its a clever piece of work, he deliberately mentioned test matches when he knew that the subject was about the onedayer team.
England have a sucess rate of 40% against Lanka while Lanka have a sucess rate of 60% against England, how the hell are they equal???
Stats aside, England have a decent Test team, but a pathetic onedayer team!
England have a sucess rate of 40% against Lanka while Lanka have a sucess rate of 60% against England, how the hell are they equal???
Stats aside, England have a decent Test team, but a pathetic onedayer team!
lankadesilva
Cricket Spectator
First of all lets be clear as to which format of cricket we are talking about.In this posts we are talking about ONEDAY CRICKET.People interested in Test team can use another post!
Stats aside, i think most sensable people would agree that the foll 5 are the top one day teams!
Aus,SA,Ind,Sl,Pak.
England are no where near those team.Ofcourse on its day even Zimb can beat SA , but that doesn't mean that the Afrikans are as good as Proteas.
Two other teams, NZ and WI, i would say that NZ have a better allround oneday team than Eng, whereas as far as WI is concerned, i would say that perhaps England have an edge over the Windies.
Overall, England have a weak oneday team, they are capable of surprising a few team on its day, but aren't capable of going much further!
Stats aside, i think most sensable people would agree that the foll 5 are the top one day teams!
Aus,SA,Ind,Sl,Pak.
England are no where near those team.Ofcourse on its day even Zimb can beat SA , but that doesn't mean that the Afrikans are as good as Proteas.
Two other teams, NZ and WI, i would say that NZ have a better allround oneday team than Eng, whereas as far as WI is concerned, i would say that perhaps England have an edge over the Windies.
Overall, England have a weak oneday team, they are capable of surprising a few team on its day, but aren't capable of going much further!
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
No, where have I ever mentioned that this is about ODI cricket - I haven't because that is not the point I was making.
See my above post - you cannot clearly say one team is better than the other when it is that close on such a random game as ODI Cricket.
What next, I toss a coin 10 times and get 6 Heads, so the coin is clearly biased to show heads?
lankadesilva
Cricket Spectator
warrioryohannan
U19 Cricketer
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A-Ha, they did indeed win the Natwest Trophy against England and Sri Lanka. They did not win a One Day Series against England.
The last One Day Series between England and India was drawn! [/quote]
When did i dispute the result of onnedayer series? For u the drawn series must have been satisfying, but for India it was embaressing coz they ended up drawing a series with a team like England!
India did well to Beat England in England and Take the natwest trophy.Hopefully India will beat England again in Cham trophy and then later in the World Cup'03.Thats a different thing atht even after those defeats u will still be talking about the drawn series
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A-Ha, they did indeed win the Natwest Trophy against England and Sri Lanka. They did not win a One Day Series against England.
The last One Day Series between England and India was drawn! [/quote]
When did i dispute the result of onnedayer series? For u the drawn series must have been satisfying, but for India it was embaressing coz they ended up drawing a series with a team like England!
India did well to Beat England in England and Take the natwest trophy.Hopefully India will beat England again in Cham trophy and then later in the World Cup'03.Thats a different thing atht even after those defeats u will still be talking about the drawn series