Neil Pickup
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Erm... have you ever seen the guy bat?ClownSymonds said:
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ClownSymonds
U19 Vice-Captain
Of course I've seen him bat. He's a very solid batsman, and usually only seems vulnerable when bored and intent on playing big shots. Just now he scored 177 not out in a Pakistan vs. Rest of Pakistan match while opening the innings. He handled Shoaib Akhtar quite well.Neil Pickup said:
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
On Patel:
I explained at length why I did not rate Patel almost two years earlier while he was being selected in the team constanty.
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=6140&page=1&pp=15&highlight=ganguly+dropped+tests
I dont know how many of you have seen him perform in the series vs New Zealand in India. He missed several chances and was the worst I have seen any one perform on Indian pitches. Him being young doesnt mean he gets a place in the Indian national squad for me. His batting looks okay but his keeping is not good for me.
As far as Ratra goes, he doesnt have a good test average yet but at 21-22, he too is young. So if some one says Patel should get a chance, the same logic can go for Ratra.
Dighe I think got very unfairly treated by the selectors. He was a very good batsman and has had some good knocks playing domestic cricket in a highly competitive Mumbai Ranji Trophy team for over 10 years now. He should have been looked into the team along with Mongia itself very early on. However, by playing that crucial knock in the third test in the historic India-Australia series (in a pressure situation), he showed why he should have been in the team much before the likes of a Vijay Yadav when he was selected in 1993-94. This ofcourse is going back a lot in history which just shows how much Dighe missed.
While Mongia was no doubt an excellent keeper, he didnt really provide solid batting performances for India over the years when he did play. This is where I would rank Dighe even higher over Mongia. Mongia had soem attitude problems which was revealed by Ganguly in the ESPN cricket show which I too saw but I wuold have liked Dighe get more chances.
As far as the current keepers is concerned, easily Dasgupta should not be there as a keeper and neither should Patel. They are good/average/acceptable batsmen but even Patel's keeping is suspect from all I have seen of his short career till now. He may turn out good later on but not right now.
I would have had Dighe play for 2-3 more years from 2000 when he played that crucial knock and then give some one younger a chance. I must say, Karim too was unlucky in being blinded when he got a chance so late in his test career in Dhaka by the Kumble bowl. He ofcourse had no one to blame as he did not wear a helmet but thats another matter.
This is not confronting Liam. I understood his point that his comment was made after seeing him the matches he did where he found him quite good. Patel has been included in the Board President's XI squad. Maybe he can make a very good keeper who can serve India within two years. India certainly will not be complaining to have some keepers competing for a place - Karthik, Dhoni, an improved Patel and some new guy.
I explained at length why I did not rate Patel almost two years earlier while he was being selected in the team constanty.
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=6140&page=1&pp=15&highlight=ganguly+dropped+tests
I dont know how many of you have seen him perform in the series vs New Zealand in India. He missed several chances and was the worst I have seen any one perform on Indian pitches. Him being young doesnt mean he gets a place in the Indian national squad for me. His batting looks okay but his keeping is not good for me.
As far as Ratra goes, he doesnt have a good test average yet but at 21-22, he too is young. So if some one says Patel should get a chance, the same logic can go for Ratra.
Dighe I think got very unfairly treated by the selectors. He was a very good batsman and has had some good knocks playing domestic cricket in a highly competitive Mumbai Ranji Trophy team for over 10 years now. He should have been looked into the team along with Mongia itself very early on. However, by playing that crucial knock in the third test in the historic India-Australia series (in a pressure situation), he showed why he should have been in the team much before the likes of a Vijay Yadav when he was selected in 1993-94. This ofcourse is going back a lot in history which just shows how much Dighe missed.
While Mongia was no doubt an excellent keeper, he didnt really provide solid batting performances for India over the years when he did play. This is where I would rank Dighe even higher over Mongia. Mongia had soem attitude problems which was revealed by Ganguly in the ESPN cricket show which I too saw but I wuold have liked Dighe get more chances.
As far as the current keepers is concerned, easily Dasgupta should not be there as a keeper and neither should Patel. They are good/average/acceptable batsmen but even Patel's keeping is suspect from all I have seen of his short career till now. He may turn out good later on but not right now.
I would have had Dighe play for 2-3 more years from 2000 when he played that crucial knock and then give some one younger a chance. I must say, Karim too was unlucky in being blinded when he got a chance so late in his test career in Dhaka by the Kumble bowl. He ofcourse had no one to blame as he did not wear a helmet but thats another matter.
This is not confronting Liam. I understood his point that his comment was made after seeing him the matches he did where he found him quite good. Patel has been included in the Board President's XI squad. Maybe he can make a very good keeper who can serve India within two years. India certainly will not be complaining to have some keepers competing for a place - Karthik, Dhoni, an improved Patel and some new guy.
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Jungle Jumbo
International Vice-Captain
1 AB de Villiers (RSA)
2 Shikhar Dhawan (IND)
3 Mohammad Ashraful (BAN)
4 Ambati Rayudu (IND)
5 Billy Godleman (ENG)
6 Mushfiqur Rahim (BAN)
7 Mansoor Amjad (PAK)
8 Irfan Pathan (IND)
9 Tom Smith (ENG)
10 Mohammad Asif (PAK)
11 ???
2 Shikhar Dhawan (IND)
3 Mohammad Ashraful (BAN)
4 Ambati Rayudu (IND)
5 Billy Godleman (ENG)
6 Mushfiqur Rahim (BAN)
7 Mansoor Amjad (PAK)
8 Irfan Pathan (IND)
9 Tom Smith (ENG)
10 Mohammad Asif (PAK)
11 ???
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
*bump* 6 years to go.
Still think so?
Anyway the reason I dug this thread up is with Eng U'19s in Malaysia ATM, how do people think Godleman, Northeast and other potential exciting talent are developing. The U19s results havent been great recently but at a developmental level, results are secondary to progressing as players.
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