Will MoYo ever play Test cricket again?

[Fusion]

If that person is sacked temporarily from his job without any valid reason and bypassed for a chance to lead the group that he deserve and instead had to take orders from a newbie, then I guess I am in disagreement with you.

Anyways, What kind of national hero Yousuf is -

a. When he is dropped from the (20/20) national team without giving a valid reason ?
b. When he isn't considered good enough to deserve a chance to lead Pakistan despite serving Pak cricket for so long ?

PS :- There have been reports that Captain Malik didn't want MoYo in the team.

Just because he thinks he deserves to be Captain, doesn't mean he should be. For him to quit on the national team just because he doesn't get the Captaincy is very silly. Better overall players than him (Javed, Wasim, Waqar to name a few) have been treated harshly when it comes to the Captaincy matter. And they all had a better case for being captain than Yousaf. I agree with you that his exclusion from the 20/20 squad was unfair and rather strange. However, I just don't think he would let a 20/20 tournament (the lowest form of the game) drive him out of the national team. Let's be real. It was about money.

 

[nightprowler10]

If that person is sacked temporarily from his job without any valid reason and bypassed for a chance to lead the group that he deserve and instead had to take orders from a newbie, then I guess I am in disagreement with you.

Anyways, What kind of national hero Yousuf is -

a. When he is dropped from the (20/20) national team without giving a valid reason ?
b. When he isn't considered good enough to deserve a chance to lead Pakistan despite serving Pak cricket for so long ?

PS :- There have been reports that Captain Malik didn't want MoYo in the team.

Not being picked for the T20 was certainly harsh, but how is that a sacking? I see it more as being left behind when the company invests in a new project. Again, harsh but not the same thing as sacking. As far as being given a chance to lead, well he was given a chance, and from what I recall, he was terrible at it.

 

[Engle]

No matter how you cut it, the bottom line is that the PCB mismanaged this whole affair.
Which is prob why they have not yet said anything against MoYo.

There are better ways to handle this. What they chose was the short-sighted, miscommunicated method. Sheer butchery, I say.

 

[adharcric]

Just because he thinks he deserves to be Captain, doesn't mean he should be. For him to quit on the national team just because he doesn't get the Captaincy is very silly. Better overall players than him (Javed, Wasim, Waqar to name a few) have been treated harshly when it comes to the Captaincy matter. And they all had a better case for being captain than Yousaf. I agree with you that his exclusion from the 20/20 squad was unfair and rather strange. However, I just don't think he would let a 20/20 tournament (the lowest form of the game) drive him out of the national team. Let's be real. It was about money.

Not being picked for the T20 was certainly harsh, but how is that a sacking? I see it more as being left behind when the company invests in a new project. Again, harsh but not the same thing as sacking. As far as being given a chance to lead, well he was given a chance, and from what I recall, he was terrible at it.

Completely agree. By the way, what stance will the PCB take on this issue now? Will Yousuf be able to play both ICL and international cricket? If so, this debate means nothing.

 

[Fusion]

Completely agree. By the way, what stance will the PCB take on this issue now? Will Yousuf be able to play both ICL and international cricket? If so, this debate means nothing.

I suspect the PCB will back down and come up with some type of compromise. It's one thing to lose Razzaq and Farhat, another to lose your best batsman. As disappointed as I am in Yousaf, I am no fan of the PCB either. They are unlikely to handle this right.

 

[four_or_six]

Completely agree. By the way, what stance will the PCB take on this issue now? Will Yousuf be able to play both ICL and international cricket? If so, this debate means nothing.

Well looking at the tour schedule, and assuming that the ICL is in October, he can't. I saw it say that you could be released from the ICL for international duty, but if the tournament is only 3 weeks long then he'd be released the whole time which would be completely daft.

Edit: Pakistan fixtures up to Dec: http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/paki...dule.html?team=7;team=2989;team=3015;future=1

 

[BhupinderSingh]

May be you dont think he was treated fairly, but does Moyo think that ? If Inzi can be given captaincy, why not Yousuf ?

Because there are lot of better captaincy options available ATM.Butt & Malik, are much better proven captains at domestic.Mohgammad Asif has guts of being a very good captain.When Inzamam was made captain,it was a poor choice as Latif was doing well as a captain,I won't hesitate in saying that I've never seen a worst captain I've ever seen(even a monkey would've been a better choice than him) & Yousuf is no different to Aaloo when it comes to cataincy.

 

[Engle]

Excluding MoYo from captaincy is understandable, perhaps he doesn't have what it takes, being nice guy and all. And moreso, the affect and responsibility of that position is huge.

Excluding MoYo from 20/20 makes no sense at all. No-one gives a rat's a$$ about 20/20, so if MoYo says he''ll be happy playing 20/20, MoYo gets to play 20/20.

 

[Anil]

Sorry, there is a difference when it comes to sports. They are playing for the National team and as such are representing their country. When I work for a company, I only represent the company, not the nation. Therefore, there is an added responsibility on those that represent a country, whether they like it or not. I'm not asking the players to work like slaves and tolerate any injustice that the board throws at them. If they have legitimate grieve, then I would support them abandoning their national team. I just don't think Yousaf has been treated unfairly. He makes a very good living. He has a secure place in the team. I can understand that he may be disappointed about not being named Captain, but that was not an unfair decision. A lot of people (including Imran and the late Bob Woolmer) didn't rate him highly as Captaincy material. So it looks to me that in the end it was all about the money. I respect those that say that national pride should not play a part in this equation. I simply disagree and have lost a lot of respect for Yousaf.

i understand what you mean from a fan's point of view but professional cricketers make their living by the sport and they have a limited window of opportunity to make money before they retire or just fade away, why blame them for trying to make the most of it? it's about money and job satisfaction whether you like it or not and if one of them is compromised and you get a better offer for the other, any professional would consider it...and you may have a lot of valid reasons why yousuf shouldn't captain, that doesn't matter if he feels up to it, wants it but was turned down, he may have what he feels is a legitimate grievance, if you try to look at this from the players' point of view, their actions are completely understandable...

 

[Johnners]

I pretty much agree with most of what Sanz has written in regards to MoYo.

On the topic of the ICL in general though, despite knowing jack all about Indian Domestic Cricket (apart from the fact it's somewhat dire apparently), the ICL certainly has the potential to do wonders for grass roots cricket imo. Competition is always healthy for any business situation, and i don't see why it would be any different for a struggling domestic cricket competition. Sure the first step might be to increase the wages, but after a while an increase in the wages isn't going to be enough to gain an advantage, especially if it's proven that one competition is stronger than the other.

 

[Sanz]

Because there are lot of better captaincy options available ATM.Butt & Malik, are much better proven captains at domestic.Mohgammad Asif has guts of being a very good captain.

Malik is a better captaincy option for what throwing a match in domestic cricket ? He has been reported for chucking a couple of times, only in Pakistan they can make someone like him a Captain. For Salman Butt to be a captain, he has to have a secured spot in Pak team, doesn't he ? Needless to say an avg. of 30 in this era or cricket means you are just no good.

Suggesting Md. Asif as captain is a joke or what ? If you make him captain, what signal you would be sending to pakistani fans and cricket fans all over the world.

 

[adharcric]

Malik is a better captaincy option for what throwing a match in domestic cricket ? He has been reported for chucking a couple of times, only in Pakistan they can make someone like him a Captain. For Salman Butt to be a captain, he has to have a secured spot in Pak team, doesn't he ? Needless to say an avg. of 30 in this era or cricket means you are just no good.

Suggesting Md. Asif as captain is a joke or what ? If you make him captain, what signal you would be sending to pakistani fans and cricket fans all over the world.

Are you suggesting that Yousuf should have been named captain?

 

[Sanz]

Are you suggesting that Yousuf should have been named captain?

No, I am just arguing the point Bhupinder made about Butt/Malik as proven captains in domestic cricket and that Asif has the guts to be a very good captain.

 

[Perm]

Malik is a better captaincy option for what throwing a match in domestic cricket ? He has been reported for chucking a couple of times, only in Pakistan they can make someone like him a Captain. For Salman Butt to be a captain, he has to have a secured spot in Pak team, doesn't he ? Needless to say an avg. of 30 in this era or cricket means you are just no good.

Suggesting Md. Asif as captain is a joke or what ? If you make him captain, what signal you would be sending to pakistani fans and cricket fans all over the world.

Butt and Malik are quite clearly the best captaincy options that Pakistan have at the moment and have captained competently for their domestic sides. Yes, I am aware that Malik threw a domestic game, which was a mistake, but I think we can all get over that now. He has been reported for chucking, is there a point behind that? Big deal really, so has Muralitharan and he does pretty well for himself. I agree about Butt, he needs to secure a spot in the team first, which shouldn't be too hard for a player of his class.

Mohammad Asif should never be made captain, or vice captain for that matter. Aside from the drugs issue, he is too young and should be concentrating on his bowling. However I don't agree with your opinion about Yousuf, the guy doesn't seem cut out to be a captain, and just because he has been a great servant of Pakistan cricket doesn't mean diddly-squat really, because he isn't good enough to captain an international side.

 

[TT Boy]

Butt and Malik are quite clearly the best captaincy options that Pakistan have at the moment and have captained competently for their domestic sides. Yes, I am aware that Malik threw a domestic game, which was a mistake, but I think we can all get over that now. He has been reported for chucking, is there a point behind that? Big deal really, so has Muralitharan and he does pretty well for himself. I agree about Butt, he needs to secure a spot in the team first, which shouldn't be too hard for a player of his class.

Mohammad Asif should never be made captain, or vice captain for that matter. Aside from the drugs issue, he is too young and should be concentrating on his bowling. However I don't agree with your opinion about Yousuf, the guy doesn't seem cut out to be a captain, and just because he has been a great servant of Pakistan cricket doesn't mean diddly-squat really, because he isn't good enough to captain an international side.

His Malik’s junior by one year (and two years Butt’s senior) and regardless of his academic credentials (which shouldn’t matter) he is apparently one of the more vocal and fast thinking cricketers in the Pakistani side. Also unlike Butt his a very popular individual in the team, who does command respect. Looks to be a good choice as vice captain to me.

 

[Perm]

His Malik’s junior by one year (and two years Butt’s senior) and regardless of his academic credentials (which shouldn’t matter) he is apparently one of the more vocal and fast thinking cricketers in the Pakistani side. Also unlike Butt his a very popular individual in the team, who does command respect. Looks to be a good choice as vice captain to me.

Talking young in international terms here, Shoaib Malik has played a few more Tests and a lot more ODI's than Asif, and is much more experienced in international cricket. I'm not saying that Asif is a poor choice, because by looking at the rest of the Pakistan side, it seems he would be one of the better candidates. I would not have appointed him as vice captain if it was my choice though if there were some more potential candidates, but as it was, he was the clear cut option because of a lack of competition IMO.

 

[PhoenixFire]

I looked at Shoaib Malik's stats, and was pretty surprised to see how many ODIs he has played at such a young age, without really doing much memorable. Pretty good batting and a mediocre bowling average though, he's meant to be a good fielder as well IIRC.

 

[Perm]

I looked at Shoaib Malik's stats, and was pretty surprised to see how many ODIs he has played at such a young age, without really doing much memorable. Pretty good batting and a mediocre bowling average though, he's meant to be a good fielder as well IIRC.

Only bowls less than 6 overs a game, an average of 34.57 is fairly decent when coupled with an economy rate of 4.48 IMO. Also, his age may not be exactly right, given Pakistan's history in that area.

 

[pasag]

The merry-go-round continues

 

[Fusion]

The merry-go-round continues

"I had a problem with the captain at that time so I left. I had issues with the previous board administration as well," Yousuf said. "But now I have no problems at all with Younis, or this board. The country comes first."

So let me get this straight: The country comes first, as long as no one offers more money to play in a banned league or as long as there are no personality clashes with fellow players!