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Will MoYo ever play Test cricket again?

adharcric

International Coach
My point is that Yousaf already earns more than the overwhelming majority of the Pakistani society. I realize that he can earn more playing for county cricket and ICL. Let's not forget that he can still earn money from county cricket while playing for PCB. He just chose to earn even more playing for ICL. If money is the only thing that drives you to play, then IMO you are in it for the wrong reasons. Don't get me wrong, I'm not getting into the tired cliché of "they should play for the love of the game". I know that sports is a business and Yousaf deserves to make as much money as he can. The thing is, he is making a very decent living. I can understand a struggling player, or someone being treated unfairly, taking the money and the opportunity. However, that's not the case with Yousaf. He is well paid and his position in the team is secured. By signing with ICL, he is telling me that ALL that matters is money. I lost a lot of respect for him.
Provided that the PCB will impose a ban on Yousuf, I agree. Before we even get there though, shouldn't Yousuf be able to sign up for the ICL and expect to play for his country again? In that case, isn't his act reasonable? Is the PCB at fault here?
 
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Engle

State Vice-Captain
I see the PCB at fault here. Whenever one makes a management decision, one has to consider the morale issue. Clearly, the exclusion of MoYo from the 20/20 WC was the driving force behind his decision.

Excluding Inzi from contract, not calling ARazzaq....all point to the fact that the PCB does not understand why there is so much conflict within the Pak team.
Their highest priority was to raise the morale of the team and unify it, esp at a time like this.
 

Fusion

Global Moderator
Provided that the PCB will impose a ban on Yousuf, I agree. Before we even get there though, shouldn't Yousuf be able to sign up for the ICL and expect to play for his country again? In that case, isn't his act reasonable? Is the PCB at fault here?
PCB had stated before that any player signing up with ICL will be banned. They may back down from that, but Yousaf knew their stance going in.

I see the PCB at fault here. Whenever one makes a management decision, one has to consider the morale issue. Clearly, the exclusion of MoYo from the 20/20 WC was the driving force behind his decision.

I strongly disagree that Yousaf's exclusion from the 20/20 squad was the main reason behind his decision. He may have felt slighted, but I don't think that was enough to drive him away. Because that would mean that 20/20 is more important to him than Test or ODI cricket. I don't think that's the case. The main reason is money. He was offered more of it from ICL. He took it. He has the right to make that decision. Considering that he's not hurting for money as it is, I just don't respect him for doing so.
 

Engle

State Vice-Captain
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree.
MoYo had a superb year prev, beating the great Viv's record which stood for eons.
And what does he get for that ? Exclusion from captaincy and from 20/20 WC.
We'll never know whether he felt slighted or hurt, my sense is it's the latter. Enough for Kallis to step down from the v-capt for example.

Had the PCB included him and then he skipped, then yes, I agree it's the money thing, but in this case it was the bone-headed decision (and history) of the PCB of mistreating their seniors at whim. Why should they or anyone be surprised ?

Mistreat your employees, they leave. A no-brainer as they say in management speak.
 

jammay123

State 12th Man
moyo is making the biggest mistake in his life if joining the icl stops him playing againg because correct me if im wrong the pcb said theyd ban anyone who joined up and the pcb surely cant ruin their credibility more by allowing him to do both. he should get out of the icl and play tests until he becomes the highest scoring pakistani in test cricket he is only 2000 odd runs behind he could do it before retirement
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Disagree strongly with Beleg's comments about money>nationalistic pride.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
I don't think money is the whole isssue here of him. Yeah im sure it makes a big difference, but its pretty obvious that his pissed off at PCB for not making him captain and then droping him for the Twenty20 WC. His clearly making a statement that he doesn't want to play for Pakistan under the current officials. Maybe his own personal pride is greater then his national pride. It looks as if he was happy to let things go under the carpert when he wasn't made captain, but when they dropped him from the Twenty20 WC, that was the last straw. Like Razzaq and Inzaman i think there is a lot of stuff going on behind the scences in Pakistan cricket, affecting these decisions. The same applies for Bengal and Hydrabad. I reckon the PCB have no else to blame but themselves if he doesn't play Test Cricket again and they are the ones we should blame not MoYo
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Then again, what they are earning is the equivalent to what other countries pay their stars? E.g. an Australian cricketer would have to pay 1/5 of their salry to pay for a house in Australia, so theoretically wouldn't a lankan have a simialr situation?

I apologise, this is a really wishy-washy example, but some people are saying that they are living in a a state of nigh poverty.

Also in reagards to SL and the money. Thats a reason why Mascarenhas hasn't opted to play for Sri Lanka - he could of easily played 100+ ODIs and many Tests for them if he opted to do so.
If you want to live in the rich areas of Sri Lanka, you need to earn as much as you would playing in Australia and England. Most Test Cricketer finish their careers earning little from the game and not in much better position then your average Sri Lankan worker. Guys like Mahanama and Dharmensena got into being officials due to the fact they needed to earn a decent living after cricket to support their families. They got next to nothing from playing decade or so of Test Cricket.

Most Test Cricket would still work into their 50s and 60s as they would not been able to earn much playing cricket, most of their income would come outside playing cricket. Even someone like Atapattu wouldn't have earned enough to set him up for life, the reason why he doesn't want to retire and play of Lashings or ICL. Its hit home that his going to struggle after cricket.
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah because we all know that Yousaf wasn't earning "decent" money right? Explain how he was starving to me please.
you are well-paid in your current job, but not completely satsfied because upward mobility has been restricted, around that time, you get a better offer in another, smaller company, the pay is significantly better, the work is very similar to what you've been doing, why wouldn't you consider it? cricket is a sport to the viewers, but it is a profession to the cricketers who play day in and day out, pure and simple...there is really no point in the fans getting riled up when they treat it as such....
 

Fusion

Global Moderator
you are well-paid in your current job, but not completely satsfied because upward mobility has been restricted, around that time, you get a better offer in another, smaller company, the pay is significantly better, the work is very similar to what you've been doing, why wouldn't you consider it? cricket is a sport to the viewers, but it is a profession to the cricketers who play day in and day out, pure and simple...there is really no point in the fans getting riled up when they treat it as such....
Sorry, there is a difference when it comes to sports. They are playing for the National team and as such are representing their country. When I work for a company, I only represent the company, not the nation. Therefore, there is an added responsibility on those that represent a country, whether they like it or not. I'm not asking the players to work like slaves and tolerate any injustice that the board throws at them. If they have legitimate grieve, then I would support them abandoning their national team. I just don't think Yousaf has been treated unfairly. He makes a very good living. He has a secure place in the team. I can understand that he may be disappointed about not being named Captain, but that was not an unfair decision. A lot of people (including Imran and the late Bob Woolmer) didn't rate him highly as Captaincy material. So it looks to me that in the end it was all about the money. I respect those that say that national pride should not play a part in this equation. I simply disagree and have lost a lot of respect for Yousaf.
 

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
I sure as hell hope he comes back. Easily the most poorly treated of the lot who left for ICL. Really have little sympathy with Farhat and Razzaq, tbh.
 

Engle

State Vice-Captain
There is a diff between working for a company and a country, but the lowest common D is that you're still dealing with ppl and their feelings, dignity and humilitaion. Look whom they replaced Yousuf with....Misbah-ul-who ?
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
When I work for a company, I only represent the company, not the nation. Therefore, there is an added responsibility on those that represent a country, whether they like it or not.
So If I worked for a reputed government agency but I decide to quit the govt. job for a multinational opportunity, would you blame me ?

I'm not asking the players to work like slaves and tolerate any injustice that the board throws at them. If they have legitimate grieve, then I would support them abandoning their national team. I just don't think Yousaf has been treated unfairly. He makes a very good living. He has a secure place in the team. I can understand that he may be disappointed about not being named Captain, but that was not an unfair decision. A lot of people (including Imran and the late Bob Woolmer) didn't rate him highly as Captaincy material. So it looks to me that in the end it was all about the money. I respect those that say that national pride should not play a part in this equation. I simply disagree and have lost a lot of respect for Yousaf.
May be you dont think he was treated fairly, but does Moyo think that ? If Inzi can be given captaincy, why not Yousuf ? Besides its not just captaincy, he was clearly upset over his dropping from 20/20.

Lastly I dont think he is getting more money through ICL than he was making as an international cricketer. It is an assumption at best.
 

nightprowler10

Global Moderator
So If I worked for a reputed government agency but I decide to quit the govt. job for a multinational opportunity, would you blame me ?
Not many exactly look up to you or consider a hero of sorts when you work for the government. In fact, people are more likely to hate you and/or consider you the scum of the earth. :)
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Not many exactly look up to you or consider a hero of sorts when you work for the government. In fact, people are more likely to hate you and/or consider you the scum of the earth. :)
:laugh: :laugh:

TBF I wasn't talking about those types of jobs. For example - someone I know was working with DRDO(www.drdo.org - check out products section) as a research scientist, gave up that job for a lucrative offer from a multinational and life in America.
 

nightprowler10

Global Moderator
:laugh: :laugh:

TBF I wasn't talking about those types of jobs. For example - someone I know was working with DRDO(www.drdo.org - check out products section) as a research scientist, gave up that job for a lucrative offer from a multinational and life in America.
Tbh, if he did something that got him somewhat of a national hero status (like Yousuf can be seen as at the moment) then yeah, national pride would and should come in to play.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Tbh, if he did something that got him somewhat of a national hero status (like Yousuf can be seen as at the moment) then yeah, national pride would and should come in to play.
If that person is sacked temporarily from his job without any valid reason and bypassed for a chance to lead the group that he deserve and instead had to take orders from a newbie, then I guess I am in disagreement with you.

Anyways, What kind of national hero Yousuf is -

a. When he is dropped from the (20/20) national team without giving a valid reason ?
b. When he isn't considered good enough to deserve a chance to lead Pakistan despite serving Pak cricket for so long ?

PS :- There have been reports that Captain Malik didn't want MoYo in the team.
 
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