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Vote for the greatest of Wisden's five cricketers of the century

The Greatest of Wisdens cricketers of the century

  • Shane Warne

    Votes: 6 10.7%
  • Jack Hobbs

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Vivian Richards

    Votes: 5 8.9%
  • Garfield Sobers

    Votes: 14 25.0%
  • Donald Bradman

    Votes: 31 55.4%

  • Total voters
    56

Slifer

International Regular
Whether he was being modest or whatever when Bradman himself chose his team of the century the first name he penciled down was Sobers such was his respect for Sobers' mastery of all of cricket's basic skills.
 
burkey_1988 said:
Bradman ... no one will come close to his Test average of 99.94. How can you argue against that ?
I can't believe he got a first ball nought, his average went just below 100, then he actually carried out his decision to retire.
 

Slats4ever

International Vice-Captain
everyone who's voted for sobers thinks they're the man. they think they come in and have some awesome kind of cricketing knowledge and that they're all genius's.

But no one has come close to Bradman's batting avg and many all rounders have come closer to Sobers as an all rounder. Imran Khan avged 12 less with the ball and only 20 less with the bat putting him statistically 8 runs less valuable player than Khan.

As Age said it wasn't Bradman's role to be an all rounder in the team. That's the beauty of cricket C_C there are different things in case u hadn't noticed. some people bat and some people bowl and some people do both. But to compare someone to Bradman just cos they can do both (one very well and one ok) is just not on.
 

Dasa

International Vice-Captain
Slats4ever said:
everyone who's voted for sobers thinks they're the man. they think they come in and have some awesome kind of cricketing knowledge and that they're all genius's.

But no one has come close to Bradman's batting avg and many all rounders have come closer to Sobers as an all rounder. Imran Khan avged 12 less with the ball and only 20 less with the bat putting him statistically 8 runs less valuable player than Khan.

As Age said it wasn't Bradman's role to be an all rounder in the team. That's the beauty of cricket C_C there are different things in case u hadn't noticed. some people bat and some people bowl and some people do both. But to compare someone to Bradman just cos they can do both (one very well and one ok) is just not on.
Geez how arrogant are you? As if your cricketing knowledge is so much better than everyone else that think you can basically insult everyone who doesn't agree with you...
 

Majin

International Debutant
andyc said:
I fail to see how the bowling of Bodyline was 'amatuer,' and 'several notches below' current bowling.
Hence: Career Batting and fielding averages
class mat inns no runs hs ave 100 50 6s ct st
Tests 52 80 10 6996 334 99.94 29 13 6 32 0

Bodyline:
Batting M I NO HS R AVGE CT/ST
D.G.Bradman 4 8 1 103* 396 56.57 3

:cool:
 

Anil

International Coach
Slats4ever said:
everyone who's voted for sobers thinks they're the man. they think they come in and have some awesome kind of cricketing knowledge and that they're all genius's.
just because we voted for sobers? :)

...no genius is required, you see it just takes a little common sense....and a reasonable knowledge of cricket of course.... :D

what do you have against sobers anyway?
 

C_C

International Captain
Slats4ever said:
everyone who's voted for sobers thinks they're the man. they think they come in and have some awesome kind of cricketing knowledge and that they're all genius's.

But no one has come close to Bradman's batting avg and many all rounders have come closer to Sobers as an all rounder. Imran Khan avged 12 less with the ball and only 20 less with the bat putting him statistically 8 runs less valuable player than Khan.

As Age said it wasn't Bradman's role to be an all rounder in the team. That's the beauty of cricket C_C there are different things in case u hadn't noticed. some people bat and some people bowl and some people do both. But to compare someone to Bradman just cos they can do both (one very well and one ok) is just not on.
It doesnt matter who came close to whom and who didnt. What matters is who has more influence over the game and the answer is Sobers. You cannot be the best batsman from just mastering against one type of bowling and just mastering 3-4 shots. If you are the best batsman, thats because you've displayed the best overall mastery of batting.
Similarly, you cannot be the best cricketer by being the best batsman or the best bowler, since the best allrounder displays an overall mastery of cricket that the best batsman or the best bowler can only dream of.
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
Basically, what it comes down to is that you've got 20 of the world's greatest ever players lining up on the wall in the schoolyard and you're picking teams.

You've got first pick. Some of us would take Bradman, others Sobers.

There's no right answer, and no amount of posting will ever create one.
 

shaka

International Regular
Neil Pickup said:
Basically, what it comes down to is that you've got 20 of the world's greatest ever players lining up on the wall in the schoolyard and you're picking teams.

You've got first pick. Some of us would take Bradman, others Sobers.

There's no right answer, and no amount of posting will ever create one.
good point! I agree
 

dinu23

International Debutant
Dasa said:
Geez how arrogant are you? As if your cricketing knowledge is so much better than everyone else that think you can basically insult everyone who doesn't agree with you...
word!
 

archie mac

International Coach
C_C said:
It doesnt matter who came close to whom and who didnt. What matters is who has more influence over the game and the answer is Sobers. You cannot be the best batsman from just mastering against one type of bowling and just mastering 3-4 shots. If you are the best batsman, thats because you've displayed the best overall mastery of batting.
Similarly, you cannot be the best cricketer by being the best batsman or the best bowler, since the best allrounder displays an overall mastery of cricket that the best batsman or the best bowler can only dream of.
He does not keep wicket. The True All Rounder would have to be George Brown of Hampshire :p
 

C_C

International Captain
archie mac said:
He does not keep wicket. The True All Rounder would have to be George Brown of Hampshire :p

Actually Sir Gary did keep wickets for Barbados when he started out. :p
 

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