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Yeah, although that seemed kinda accidental - Stead didn't go into that 2023 World Cup with the plan of batting him at the top of the order.
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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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Immenso
International Vice-Captain
9, or 8 and a half?, years is a very long time to be a coach. Certainly a national coach.
Different for pro clubs or franchises, though.
From an nz perspective. Can only think of Lois Muir (netball) and Mike Walsh (softball).
Wait, duh. Just remembered Henry, then Hansen for ABs. Well, this was a pointless post.
Different for pro clubs or franchises, though.
From an nz perspective. Can only think of Lois Muir (netball) and Mike Walsh (softball).
Wait, duh. Just remembered Henry, then Hansen for ABs. Well, this was a pointless post.
jcas0167
International Regular
True, Ravindra made the squad because Bracewell was injured. But they did open with him in a trial game where he got 90 odd. Then when Williamson was injured went with him rather than say Chapman which would have been the more conservative option. I mean I agree Stead tended to opt for veterans where he could but it often worked out and at this point there are plenty of younger guys who are well placed to kick on.
Bahnz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Stead's handling of Rachin was one of the biggest black marks against him as a coach. Here you had this generational batting talent who bowled a bit of handy SLA, and what did Stead do with him? Play him as a bowling allrounder and bat him at number 7. Ultimately it all worked out in the end, but it was absolutely more by luck than design.
Pedant point, assume you are discussing Kuggs test debut at Mount vs England in early 2023, it was Kuggs and Duffy in squad ahead of other options (e.g. Smith) when Boult and Henry not available, but my larger gripe was Kuggs over Duffy in playing XI, gave an unbalanced 1 swing bowler + 3 whack-it-in seamer mix in a day/night game where Duffy under lights could have been very useful, just because Kuggs offered more runs at #8.
Not considering personal issues about Kuggs.
Chubb
International Regular
I'd sooner Duffy over Kuggs as well
Mike5181
International Captain
He's kind of lucky Will Young has turned things around a bit because under Stead he was very nearly a completely wasted talent as well. Not saying Young knocked every opportunity out of the park but he got ****ed around a lot while Stead had his Nicholls obsession.
ataraxia
International Coach
And yet Young was picked over Conway for two tests when Conway was averaging about 70 in the PS. That was just strange.
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
He batted 3 in the warmup games didn't he despite Conway and young being around?
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He was randomly promoted up the order to open in the Pakistan warm-up game and top-scored with 97 (then batted 3 in the first game of the tournament and got a century). But he'd never batted higher than 6 in any of his ODIs before that, so it didn't strike me as premeditated.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Are we going to ignore how drawn out and poor those transitions were? Some of these results might have ended up as victories rather than 2nd places with better coaching and selection.
I don't think we can celebrate Stead as the reason NZC has a depth of talent in this era,
Neil Young
International 12th Man
Yep. Harder to get out than in.
Neil Young
International 12th Man
He definitely batted down the order in the England away series that Sept.
Flem274*
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Yeah, generally golden areas are created 10 years prior to the results. That's not to say international coaches don't add the extra percent, but great teams are made by great systems.
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jcas0167
International Regular
The claim was that the team is going to be hampered in future. I don't think that's the case as there are loads of guys who are ready to step up now.
I don't know of any tournaments we would have fared better with different selections? Maybe Conway should have played the Champions Trophy final. They could have maybe backed the likes of Ajaz more in that 2022 England tour. It's hard to know how much that was Stead or Kane who sometimes seemed reluctant to bowl spinners.
I agree they stuck with some guys for too long. The main ones I can think of are Nicholls being perserved with for the Bangladesh tests after Ravindra had a break through world cup. Nicholls was coming off a double ton in his last test but I don't think anyone was surprised he struggled in that series. Also, I would have liked to see Jamieson play in the Australia 2019/20 series. They probably could have moved on from Ross Taylor after the 2021 India series although I'm glad they gave him the home summer. Southee was kind of in the same boat last season. Henry should have played ahead of him in Sri Lanka and he was fortunate to get the England home tests.
How so? We have a batch of young guys who have been exposed to international cricket and whilst, ideally, a lot of them would have played more and have more experience, we have a reasonable sense of who might cut it.
All opinions are valid but I can't see how any approach Stead had can't be easily developed upon by the next coach.
James
Cricket Web Owner
Bad call in my opinion to appoint an overseas coach (even though he's coached domestically) when you have Shane Bond as an option. With his background, arguably our second greatest ever bowler, and the fact we have a lot of young talented seamers that would benefit greatly from his experience, its a missed opportunity.
Oh well, hope Walter does well regardless.
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anonymouskefe
U19 Cricketer
Read somewhere saying players wanted rob. More of a reason imo to go bond
jcas0167
International Regular
I think Walter will be excellent but I would have loved to see Bond get the job. He seemed to do a great job when he was used as a bowling coach and sounds like he did well as head coach at the Sydney Thunder. Maybe lack of head coaching experience in NZ was the difference but seems like a missed opportunity.